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Of all the Kings horses and all the Kings men, not one in the entire Canadian political establishment could stop or negotiate their way out of these tariffs. Is there anyone left to vote for?
 
WhyCzar said:
Of all the Kings horses and all the Kings men, not one in the entire Canadian political establishment could stop or negotiate their way out of these tariffs. Is there anyone left to vote for?
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Jump back. Do not underestimate Canada's resilience. Our history's filled with moments where we’ve faced challenges head-on and come out stronger. Tariffs or not, we’ve built a nation that thrives on innovation, collaboration, and community. Our politics are a reflection of us. Our values. Our hopes. Our dreams. We’re not just any country - we’re Canada. We're polite, we're nice. But we fight for our country
 
WhyCzar said:
Of all the Kings horses and all the Kings men, not one in the entire Canadian political establishment could stop or negotiate their way out of these tariffs. Is there anyone left to vote for?
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Feck off Rita. You're boring, you have nothing useful or constructive to offer. You are the saddest sister of one of my favourite people I've ever met.

Go run for the Liberal leadership, do something constructive, stop fecking whining.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Go run for the Liberal leadership, do something constructive, stop fecking whining.
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And good advice for us all

It can all seem soooo much and intimidating

There is ALWAYS hope

Always a choice to do something

There are a plethora of puzzles and problems to deal with in the world
 
Ig Lows ... we can always go back to living in snow banks ... bank on it if the Reich get their demands ... imagine demands as A' philia ... brutal connections like parasitic ... lam þ Ra's ... slick creatures! They just do their activities ... meaning S lye (w/o reason). There is even a refrigerator made by LG ... a light comes on when you open the door! Resembles a cool power ...
 
I have a question.....if tariffs are actually bad for businesses for the people of the country (USA) who are putting the tariffs on other countries ( Mexico;Canada)....why are we responding by putting tariffs on the USA? Aren't we hurting our businesses then by responding back using tariffs?
Wouldn't it be better to NOT respond by using tariffs? and find another way?
Could someone explain this?
 
I've wondered that too Waterfall. I suppose it needs to be done though. It is a strong statement. We can't just roll over and accept what the felon is doing.

I'd love to see taps turned off and electricity turned off. I don't know if that is realistic. Targeting certain items to boycott, such as Kentucky bourbon, seems to be getting some attention.

I know that using traditional negotiating won't work. As someone with a personality disorder, Donald needs a strong response. A strong boundary. Frankly, such responses needed to have been ten or more years ago, from different people. But, here we are.
 
The first round of Canadian tariffs are directed at products we do not really need or for which there are alternatives. Here in Eastern Ontario, much of our citrus fruit comes from Spain, Morocco, and South Africa. Tariffs on these products can encourage us to buy the alternatives, which are sometimes cheaper but not familiar to us.
 
It is said if there is something to be done there needs to be an agenda ... if not for the greater good is it an alternate agenda or a false conspiracy that is constructed so the normal people won't know what's going on?

In such manner would it be better for the materialist gods ... damn the lesser gods of essence ... essential or not ... blow out the foundation!

It is almost mythical ... panths of ζion as a sign? There are further symbols of where we are off track of the greater good s ...
 
Andrew Coyne wrote a good piece about tariffs

"Andrew Coyne today, Globe and Mail. March 4, 2025

“What he wants is to see a total collapse of the Canadian economy, because that will make it easier to annex us.”

After all the pretexts, after all the fake grievances – migrants, fentanyl, trade deficits, banks – there is no longer any doubt. After months of attempting to mollify Donald Trump, only to be struck by the same 25-per-cent, across-the-board tariff first announced in November, the Prime Minister at last saw no reason not to lay out the reality of our situation in the starkest possible terms.

The President of the United States is trying to destroy us.

This is not a trade war. Mr. Trump does not have any legitimate issue he wishes to raise with us, using the tariff to impress upon us how serious he is. It is not a negotiation, in which each side brings something to the table it is willing to trade for something else. But neither can it even be dignified as extortion. The tariff is not intended to extract concessions from us. If it were, we would have heard some sort of concrete demand from him by now. It is intended, purely and simply, to harm us.

And it will not end here. More tariffs are coming, on our steel, on our lumber, plus a “reciprocal” tariff designed to punish us for the crime of collecting a national value-added tax, the GST. That pretext is as baseless as the rest: the GST does not discriminate against imports, but applies equally to all goods and services sold in Canada, domestic or foreign. Again, there is no demand here, or none that could possibly be met. The point is not to force us to the negotiating table. The point is to break us.

As ever, it is necessary to step out of conventional modes of analysis, to wrap our minds around the full insanity of Mr. Trump’s ambitions. Sucker-punching your nearest neighbour and closest trading partner, even as you are cozying up to Vladimir Putin’s Russia, may not seem to make any sense, until you recall that Mr. Trump has been attacking every other democracy in sight, from Ukraine to Europe to Taiwan.

At which point the penny drops: he sides with the expansionist dictatorships because he agrees with them – because he aims to establish one himself. When he talks about invading Greenland or seizing the Panama Canal – or using “economic force” to annex Canada – he means it.

The good news is that the weapons of economic warfare are, by their nature, mutually punitive. Mr. Trump’s tariffs may hurt our exporters, but they will hurt American consumers, workers and businesses just as much. That’s particularly true in a tightly integrated continental economy such as ours, where parts might move back and forth across the border half a dozen times en route to making the finished product.

Sticking a spoke in the wheels of trade, as Mr. Trump has now done, can only result in higher prices, stalled production lines, broken supply chains, and lost jobs – in America, not just in Canada. Just the threat alone seems already to have spooked investors: not only are stock markets cratering, but the Atlanta Federal Reserve projects that first-quarter GDP in the U.S. will fall by 2.8 per cent annualized.

Of course, the retaliatory measures Canada has announced will do much the same to our consumers and workers. So be it. If this were an ordinary trade war, a spat over this product or that industry, that might be seen as needlessly escalatory.

But this is something quite different. The tariff fight has to be seen in the context of the larger struggle, which – if it were not clear before, it should be crystal-clear now – is existential.

Whatever harm we do to the Americans will probably be only a fraction of the harm they do to themselves. But what is essential at this moment is the demonstration effect: to show that we are unafraid, our resolve is ironclad, and we are willing to pay whatever price we must to preserve our independence.

That cannot, however, be the end of it. Fending off Mr. Trump’s advances may be the immediate imperative. But we must be no less vigilant to reduce our exposure to such attacks in future – by making our investment climate so attractive that businesses will want to locate here, notwithstanding the Trump tariffs; by increasing our productivity enough to offset the efficiency losses from such unwarranted restrictions on trade; by diversifying our trade as much as possible, in favour of more reliable partners.

In time, perhaps, the Americans will come to their senses. But the damage is done. Mr. Trump will never realize his dream of annexation. He has, however, succeeded in destroying the trust between our two nations, probably permanently. #elbowsup"
 
When economists mention improving the investment climate, they usually mean lowering the costs for businesses including lowering income tax, over riding the rights of communities including Indigenous communities, reducing the rights of workers, and transferring some costs of business to taxpayers.

When Chretien. Martin, Harper, and Trudeau lowered corporate income tax, most saved the extra money for stock buy backs and buying other companies.

Instead, we can focus on improving infrastructure including public transportation, housing including non profit housing, internet access, educational resources for trades and professionals, and supports like market research and recruitment. We can invest in research that clarifies barriers to business success such as timely procurement of resources and shipping of products.
 
jimkenney12 said:
When economists mention improving the investment climate, they usually mean lowering the costs for businesses including lowering income tax, over riding the rights of communities including Indigenous communities, reducing the rights of workers, and transferring some costs of business to taxpayers.

When Chretien. Martin, Harper, and Trudeau lowered corporate income tax, most saved the extra money for stock buy backs and buying other companies.

Instead, we can focus on improving infrastructure including public transportation, housing including non profit housing, internet access, educational resources for trades and professionals, and supports like market research and recruitment. We can invest in research that clarifies barriers to business success such as timely procurement of resources and shipping of products.
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Or we can trash the entire thing as not critical to the desires of the wealthy ... and the entire thing can again fall into a deep pit -- Dante on pithy concerns ... basically rot at the core!
 
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I'm posting it here because it is loosely related to current Canadian politics.
 
Northwind said:
Andrew Coyne wrote a good piece about tariffs

"Andrew Coyne today, Globe and Mail. March 4, 2025

“What he wants is to see a total collapse of the Canadian economy, because that will make it easier to annex us.”

After all the pretexts, after all the fake grievances – migrants, fentanyl, trade deficits, banks – there is no longer any doubt. After months of attempting to mollify Donald Trump, only to be struck by the same 25-per-cent, across-the-board tariff first announced in November, the Prime Minister at last saw no reason not to lay out the reality of our situation in the starkest possible terms.

The President of the United States is trying to destroy us.

This is not a trade war. Mr. Trump does not have any legitimate issue he wishes to raise with us, using the tariff to impress upon us how serious he is. It is not a negotiation, in which each side brings something to the table it is willing to trade for something else. But neither can it even be dignified as extortion. The tariff is not intended to extract concessions from us. If it were, we would have heard some sort of concrete demand from him by now. It is intended, purely and simply, to harm us.

And it will not end here. More tariffs are coming, on our steel, on our lumber, plus a “reciprocal” tariff designed to punish us for the crime of collecting a national value-added tax, the GST. That pretext is as baseless as the rest: the GST does not discriminate against imports, but applies equally to all goods and services sold in Canada, domestic or foreign. Again, there is no demand here, or none that could possibly be met. The point is not to force us to the negotiating table. The point is to break us.

As ever, it is necessary to step out of conventional modes of analysis, to wrap our minds around the full insanity of Mr. Trump’s ambitions. Sucker-punching your nearest neighbour and closest trading partner, even as you are cozying up to Vladimir Putin’s Russia, may not seem to make any sense, until you recall that Mr. Trump has been attacking every other democracy in sight, from Ukraine to Europe to Taiwan.

At which point the penny drops: he sides with the expansionist dictatorships because he agrees with them – because he aims to establish one himself. When he talks about invading Greenland or seizing the Panama Canal – or using “economic force” to annex Canada – he means it.

The good news is that the weapons of economic warfare are, by their nature, mutually punitive. Mr. Trump’s tariffs may hurt our exporters, but they will hurt American consumers, workers and businesses just as much. That’s particularly true in a tightly integrated continental economy such as ours, where parts might move back and forth across the border half a dozen times en route to making the finished product.

Sticking a spoke in the wheels of trade, as Mr. Trump has now done, can only result in higher prices, stalled production lines, broken supply chains, and lost jobs – in America, not just in Canada. Just the threat alone seems already to have spooked investors: not only are stock markets cratering, but the Atlanta Federal Reserve projects that first-quarter GDP in the U.S. will fall by 2.8 per cent annualized.

Of course, the retaliatory measures Canada has announced will do much the same to our consumers and workers. So be it. If this were an ordinary trade war, a spat over this product or that industry, that might be seen as needlessly escalatory.

But this is something quite different. The tariff fight has to be seen in the context of the larger struggle, which – if it were not clear before, it should be crystal-clear now – is existential.

Whatever harm we do to the Americans will probably be only a fraction of the harm they do to themselves. But what is essential at this moment is the demonstration effect: to show that we are unafraid, our resolve is ironclad, and we are willing to pay whatever price we must to preserve our independence.

That cannot, however, be the end of it. Fending off Mr. Trump’s advances may be the immediate imperative. But we must be no less vigilant to reduce our exposure to such attacks in future – by making our investment climate so attractive that businesses will want to locate here, notwithstanding the Trump tariffs; by increasing our productivity enough to offset the efficiency losses from such unwarranted restrictions on trade; by diversifying our trade as much as possible, in favour of more reliable partners.

In time, perhaps, the Americans will come to their senses. But the damage is done. Mr. Trump will never realize his dream of annexation. He has, however, succeeded in destroying the trust between our two nations, probably permanently. #elbowsup"
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Thanks for that......so basically they're hurting themselves more than us?
 
Just wanted to mention, why the heck does Trump even think he could manage another country by annexing/buying them, when he's incompetent in taking care of the one country he's supposed to be serving?
Does he just fancy being a "slum lord"?
 
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