Canadian election and other political stuff

[WhyCzar]

Moving into the B.C. election John Rustad just announced this. I have no idea if it is a good or bad thing. Any opinions here?

John Rustad Announces Bold “Rustad Rebate” Plan to Provide Real Relief for BC Renters and Homeowners - Conservative Party of BC | Conservative Party of British Columbia

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE John Rustad Announces Bold “Rustad Rebate” Plan to Provide Real Relief for BC Renters and Homeowners “The Conservative Party believes in hard work and opportunity. If you work hard here, you should be able to get ahead. Under the NDP, British Columbians have been stuck on...

www.conservativebc.ca

 

[Mendalla]

Moving into the B.C. election John Rustad just announced this. I have no idea if it is a good or bad thing. Any opinions here?

John Rustad Announces Bold “Rustad Rebate” Plan to Provide Real Relief for BC Renters and Homeowners - Conservative Party of BC | Conservative Party of British Columbia

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE John Rustad Announces Bold “Rustad Rebate” Plan to Provide Real Relief for BC Renters and Homeowners “The Conservative Party believes in hard work and opportunity. If you work hard here, you should be able to get ahead. Under the NDP, British Columbians have been stuck on...

www.conservativebc.ca

A bold, but risky plan. That's $3000 per household per month in lost revenue. Where is it going to come from? How does he plan to do it without incurring massive amounts of debt? That is arguably out of scope for this announcement but needs to be addressed as part of his broader plan.

 

[Northwind]

A bold, but risky plan. That's $3000 per household per month in lost revenue. Where is it going to come from? How does he plan to do it without incurring massive amounts of debt? That is arguably out of scope for this announcement but needs to be addressed as part of his broader plan.

John Rustad says all kinds of things. I'm surprised he's saying this. I'd be curious about how he would pay for it. It seems to me he has said he would be cutting taxes. He also plans to close all the safe consumption sites and apparently set up treatment programs.

 

[Luce NDs]

A bold, but risky plan. That's $3000 per household per month in lost revenue. Where is it going to come from? How does he plan to do it without incurring massive amounts of debt? That is arguably out of scope for this announcement but needs to be addressed as part of his broader plan.

Borrow, borrow, borrow with the dark sense that you'll never see a payback ... this is especially god bait for the industrialists ... they have limited value and virtue!

 

[Mendalla]

Honestly, Pierre? Have you not clued in yet that the NDP and Bloc aren't keeping the Liberals on life support because they like them, they are doing it because they don't want an election right now. And neither do a lot of Canadians. Forcing an early vote when it is not wanted is setting himself up as a target for "forcing a needless election". Which is what he would be crying if Trudeau pulled the plug and called an early election.

Trudeau Liberals survive Conservative confidence vote in key test - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s motion which stated the House had no confidence was defeated after the NDP and Bloc Quebcois joined the Liberals in voting against.

globalnews.ca

Meanwhile, the Bloc have, as I kind of expected, started using the situation to bargain with the Liberals. The problem? The two pieces of legislation they are talking about are both in the system already and don't have a hope in hell of passing by October 29. One is still before the House, the other is in the Senate. In both cases, there's no way the bill can be passed that quickly given parliamentary procedures. And, really, as long as Singh and the NDP don't want an early election, Trudeau doesn't need the Bloc.

Liberals survive non-confidence vote as Conservative motion fails 211-120

Yves-François Blanchet says his BQ party plans to back non-confidence motion after Oct. 29 unless two of its bills become law

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Luce NDs]

Honestly, Pierre? Have you not clued in yet that the NDP and Bloc aren't keeping the Liberals on life support because they like them, they are doing it because they don't want an election right now. And neither do a lot of Canadians. Forcing an early vote when it is not wanted is setting himself up as a target for "forcing a needless election". Which is what he would be crying if Trudeau pulled the plug and called an early election.

Trudeau Liberals survive Conservative confidence vote in key test - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s motion which stated the House had no confidence was defeated after the NDP and Bloc Quebcois joined the Liberals in voting against.

globalnews.ca

Meanwhile, the Bloc have, as I kind of expected, started using the situation to bargain with the Liberals. The problem? The two pieces of legislation they are talking about are both in the system already and don't have a hope in hell of passing by October 29. One is still before the House, the other is in the Senate. In both cases, there's no way the bill can be passed that quickly given parliamentary procedures. And, really, as long as Singh and the NDP don't want an early election, Trudeau doesn't need the Bloc.

Liberals survive non-confidence vote as Conservative motion fails 211-120

Yves-François Blanchet says his BQ party plans to back non-confidence motion after Oct. 29 unless two of its bills become law

www.theglobeandmail.com

And yet some leaders declare there is no definite indication that stupidity, ignorance or other such deviation is existent as a delinquent polity! Dems dah poles ... extreme ends?

 

[jimkenney12]

John Rustad's plan would rebate 6.05% of housing costs up to $1500/month in 2026 or $90/month increasing by $30/month. It is still a substantial amount of money that can be cancelled if the cost is too much at the time.

 

[jimkenney12]

Neither the Bloc or NDP want an election at this time and neither one wants a majority Conservative government.

 

[Waterfall]

The Bloc has laid out two conditions that must be passed by legislation by Oct. 29 deadline if they continue to support the Liberal party minority govt.
1.) Bill C-319....to increase seniors benefits.
2.) C-282 To protect supply management in future trade deals.

#1 is a little harder than #2.

 

[Waterfall]

I'm loving the minority govt is being forced to act on these things.....we shall see.

 

[Mendalla]

The Bloc has laid out two conditions that must be passed by legislation by Oct. 29 deadline if they continue to support the Liberal party minority govt.
1.) Bill C-319....to increase seniors benefits.
2.) C-282 To protect supply management in future trade deals.

#1 is a little harder than #2.

As I pointed out, both bills are in the process but neither is at a stage where they could be passed by October 29 and the Bloc must realize that. One is before the Senate and the other isn't even that far along yet. This is either grandstanding or a negotiating position.

 

[GordW]

As I pointed out, both bills are in the process but neither is at a stage where they could be passed by October 29 and the Bloc must realize that. One is before the Senate and the other isn't even that far along yet. This is either grandstanding or a negotiating position.

My vote is a bit of both with a heavier weight on grandstanding

 

[Waterfall]

As I pointed out, both bills are in the process but neither is at a stage where they could be passed by October 29 and the Bloc must realize that. One is before the Senate and the other isn't even that far along yet. This is either grandstanding or a negotiating position.

Whoops, sorry, I repeated....ah well it's worth repeating.
Couldn't they just treat it like a virus and how CERB came into being....they seemed to figure that out pretty fast?

 

[Mendalla]

Whoops, sorry, I repeated....ah well it's worth repeating.
Couldn't they just treat it like a virus and how CERB came into being....they seemed to figure that out pretty fast?

No one sees changes to programs like this as an emergency and the Liberals don't control the Senate to force the issue. In fact, Trudeau's effort to depoliticize the Senate just reduced his influence in the upper house. Meanwhile, the Conservatives still have a formal (or semi-formal, maybe) caucus there, I think. Won't surprise me if those bills come back to the House with amendments, delaying them further since then the House has to vote on them again.

 

[Waterfall]

No one sees changes to programs like this as an emergency

Seniors living in poverty should be considered an emergency, along with rent controls, and the homeless.
IMHO

 

[JayneWonders]

Love this recent video from the Conservative party. I found it really touching. I know what it's like to be the kind of worker spoken of. Most mornings, I get up before 6 and go into the dark to start work, giving my all for the good of Canada

I need a confused emoji. How is your working in Korea giving all for the good of Canada.

 

[Mendalla]

Seniors living in poverty should be considered an emergency, along with rent controls, and the homeless.
IMHO

A lot of people would agree but these are government programs that need to be funded so legislation is needed. The only way they could get passed that quickly is all-party agreement and good luck with that when the official opposition is pushing for an election (which, by the way, will kill both of these bills with no guarantee they will re-introduced).

 

[jimkenney12]

I need a confused emoji. How is your working in Korea giving all for the good of Canada.

Those PP ads tend to make me nauseous with their visual treacle. He earns way over $200,000/yr, living in housing paid for by tax payers, has a gold plated pension, and numerous other perks. His treatment of opponents is vicious. He has opposed almost every bill that could make life easier for most people that need to be up early.

 

[Waterfall]

A lot of people would agree but these are government programs that need to be funded so legislation is needed. The only way they could get passed that quickly is all-party agreement and good luck with that when the official opposition is pushing for an election (which, by the way, will kill both of these bills with no guarantee they will re-introduced).

Aren't emergencies a different animal? Special rules where fast action is needed?

 

[Mendalla]

Aren't emergencies a different animal? Special rules where fast action is needed?

Not as far as I know. They are just more likely to get all party agreement but anything requiring expenditure or a change to a budget item must go through Parliament and it absolutely must be that way. It's one of our checks and balances. There's orders in council but those can't be used to add or change budget items unless there's already authorization in a law passed by Parliament. They aren't as powerful as US executive orders. And who decides something is an emergency? Probably that alone would require some kind of motion to pass the house.