Bible Study Thread: Luke

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Carolla said:
In this passage we encounter the leper saying "if you choose, you can make me clean" - and Jesus replies "I do choose". What if Jesus had NOT chosen to cleanse the leper? Or was that even a possibility? This is that troublesome idea (for me at least) that those who recover do so at the pleasure/choice of the Spirit, and those who do not recover are somehow not 'the choice' of God. What distinguishes one from another?
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I believe that Jesus always has the chouce to heal or not. When he chooses not to, I believe it's because he has a better plan in mind.
 
Luke 5:17-26
Jesus Forgives Sins

We see here that Jesus has been given the Power by His Father to forgive sins on this earth ------

For Healing to take place in a person their souls has to be healed first ------Jesus forgiving the sins of the man heals his soul ----the soul is our mind will and emotions -----forgiveness of sins is the first step in our Spiritual and physical bodies -----it was then and it is now for us in our time ---that is why accepting God free Grace off of Salvation is so important -----it forgives all past --present and future sins and that is scriptural -----

In this passage Jesus speaks to the man and calls him Sir -----verse 20---- When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Sir, your sins are forgiven.”

unsafe says -----only after forgiving the man's sins is he healed in his body -------Jesus by forgiving sins He is showing us what will be in the near future ----


Today healing is already in place for all Born Again Christ--ians ------Jesus accomplished our healing by the blood that He shed by taking the stripes on His back -----Jesus actually toke all sickness and disease with Him on the Cross ----and with the shed Blood He took our sins ------

unsafe posting here from Isaiah ---Powerful scripture here -----

Isaiah 53:5 (EXB)
5 But he was wounded for ·the wrong we did [T our transgressions];
he was crushed for ·the evil we did [T our iniquities].
The punishment, which ·made us well [brought us wholeness/peace], was given to him,
and we are healed because of his ·wounds [lacerations;  stripes; 1 Pet. 2:24].


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When our soul is healed we are free from the condemnation and quilt that sin places on us -----Sin does 2 things ---it keeps God from hearing us and it condemns us -----

All sickness and disease comes under the cruse in Deuteronomy 28 ---and these Cruses are still in place today for all non Born Again People -----and that is Scriptural ------

There is no Sickness or Disease listed under the Blessings in Deuteronomy 28 Only Health to all the body -----all Born Again Christ-ians are under the Blessings ----Jesus fulfilled the law which brought in the Curse and brought in the New Covenant of Grace and the Blessings when He was Crucified -----

We Humans are born with a corrupt Nature -----and sin is apart of that Nature -------until we change the Nature we have we are under the Curse of the law ------Jesus is our freedom from the Curse ------

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Now this is Important to know ------ Born Again Christians can allow the curse to come into their lives by giving the curse access ---it is our job to keep the weeds from gaining access to cause the curse to alight on us ------Bron Again Christ-ians have the right to be well in both body and mind -------

There is a saying for Believers ---you can't stop the birds from Flying over your Head ---but you can stop them from making a nest in your hair ----



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paradox3 said:
Yours personally? Or is the sin you speak of traced back to Adam and Eve?

Just trying to understand where you are coming from, Jae.
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I believe that all, including myself, inherit sin from Adam and Eve. Thus my answer to your question would be, yes. Yes, my sin, yes, sin that was originally birthed by Adam and Eve.
 
Jae said:
I believe that Jesus always has the chouce to heal or not. When he chooses not to, I believe it's because he has a better plan in mind.
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Thank you for clarifying your own belief jae. It's not one I share, so i shall leave it at that.
 
Who are the lepers in our society today? Who are the ones we 'church people' may shun, avoid, judge? Does Luke have a message for us about our own behaviour?
 
Carolla said:
Who are the lepers in our society today? Who are the ones we 'church people' may shun, avoid, judge? Does Luke have a message for us about our own behaviour?
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Historically (and to a degree in the present) it has possibly be applied to anyone who is on the fringes of society, particularly those whose behaviour deviates from the norm. So it could include immigrants (especially from the developing world), refugees, LGBTQ+ folk. Historically in Canada I would say it has included Indigenous people as well.
 
paradox3 said:
Seriously? I don't believe that at all. Which obviously influences the way you and I read this particular text.
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Jae would be correct, illness is a decaying of the body, beginning from the day of our birth, a slow process on to final death.

The question is, why is this so?, according to Christianity, it's because of sin, which is a separation from the Tree of Life, Like cutting off a branch, from its Life source, the branch slowly withers, decays and finally dies.

God to us is the Tree of Life our Life Source, separate us from that (sin), and like the branch, we wither, decay (illness) and finally die., All Illness is a result of separation/absence from Life, which we call death.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Jae would be correct, illness is a decaying of the body, beginning from the day of our birth, a slow process on to final death.

The question is, why is this so?, according to Christianity, it's because of sin, which is a separation from the Tree of Life, Like cutting off a branch, from its Life source, the branch slowly withers, decays and finally dies.

God to us is the Tree of Life our Life Source, separate us from that (sin), and like the branch, we wither, decay (illness) and finally die., All Illness is a result of separation/absence from Life, which we call death.
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This is the most ridiculous of beliefs. It denies the reality of the Circle of Life.
 
BB, the circle of life is reality. Life emerges, develops, mates, dies, fertilizes the earth, producing more life. Humans are nothing more than a meat body hosting trillions of colonies of different bacteria and viruses, growing and shedding cells every second. There can be no scientific evidence for a world where nothing dies.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
besides his I AM's

John 15 :5 ,

the bible is riddled with God/Jesus being the Tree of Life and humanity being the branches in Life
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No, I meant where Jesus talked about the body decaying from birth. Kindly supply references to that passage.
 
Redbaron said:
No, I meant where Jesus talked about the body decaying from birth. Kindly supply references to that passage.
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hmmmm, when you are Born, do you not live towards death ? go read what I posted, Jesus taught that he is Life, we are born separate from Him, thus our bodies live towards death,
 
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