Bible Study Thread: Luke

[unsafe]

Seeler -----Jesus was 100% human and 100% God ----do we humans sleep ------That was the Human side of Jesus -----

 

[unsafe]

unsafe says
This is what the article I posted on page 19 says ---This is what John MacArthur thinks ----and this makes perfect sense to me ----you all can make up your own minds on your thoughts of the Sabbath ----

unsafe just posting this part from Link provided on page 19

So the sabbath, every sabbath that went by when they rested, they were reminded of a perfect creation, a paradise of God dominated by righteousness, which had been forfeited by sin and could only be regained again by righteousness.

God then institutes the seventh-day system, not for everybody in the world. In fact, specifically it says for Israel. Verse 17, “A sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever.”

Every seventh day was a reminder that they were living in a fallen world. Every seventh day was a reminder that they had lost paradise. And the only way to regain a taste of paradise was obedience to God, righteousness.

And they therefore were to consider the importance of obeying the ten commandments. They were to consider the importance on that seventh day of examining their own lives and looking at how they were measuring up against the law of God. Recognizing sin was the objective, and bringing them to repentance.

unsafe says ----
We all have to remember the Gentiles were not included in any of the Jewish Laws -------If you were not a Jew there was no Hope for your Salvation ---the Gentiles were all Hell Bound Till Jesus stepped in -------
So any of us who were not Born a Jew should be on our knees thanking Jesus every day for saving the Gentiles

 

[paradox3]

To get back to today's text, there is no mention of the Sabbath or even of Jesus resting. All we know is that He went to a deserted place at daybreak. (v. 42) The crowds followed him because they wanted to prevent Him from leaving their area.

Any thoughts about why He would have gone to this deserted place at daybreak? Was it for a rest? Or something else?

 

[GordW]

To get back to today's text, there is no mention of the Sabbath or even of Jesus resting. All we know is that He went to a deserted place at daybreak. (v. 42) The crowds followed him because they wanted to prevent Him from leaving their area.

Any thoughts about why He would have gone to this deserted place at daybreak? Was it for a rest? Or something else?

MAny of us have seen it along the lines of a daily devotional time. As such it may have been in part for rest. in part for prayer, in part for thought/meditation (and none of those are mutually exclusive).

It may also have been in part that he needed a break from people for a while.

 

[Waterfall]

Maybe to pray? Doesnt he say we should pray alone so as not to show off our devotion to others?

 

[GordW]

unsafe says ----Come on GordW ----God is a Spirit ----Spirits don't get tired and Spirits don't need spiritual health -----Spirits don't get sick so that is not why God is resting -----

His creation was complete and He did no more creating ----He was Finished -----He retired for a while till Adam screwed up

Except that Scripture says God rested. And there is a strand of theology, to which I adhere, that says God has yet to be finished creating. As the UCCan New Creed puts it "who has created and is creating" or as I often say in benedictions "MAy the God who created and re-creates"

 

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GordW ----Your Quote ------Except that Scripture says God rested. And there is a strand of theology, to which I adhere, that says God has yet to be finished creating. As the UCCan New Creed puts it "who has created and is creating" or as I often say in benedictions "MAy the God who created and re-creates"

unsafe says This is my view here ----------GordW ---your creed is man made ----- -----that is the problem with Religion ----all man made ----every Religion has their own Creeds and rules and regulations and they have not much to do with God and His word ----so for me God finished His Creation of this planet and all that exist in it in 6 days and He rested on the 7th and used the Sabbath as a sign for us to reflect on His Creation and how we screwed up and His Sovereign Plan to Redeem us ----and give Thanks and Praise for His Great Mercy --Grace and Agape He showed to restore His Creation ------

unsafe says ----this is what I found on the creed ---unsafe posting here

The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds

The Nicene Creed
In the first three centuries, the church was often forced into secrecy and seclusion. As a result, it was fraught with theological disputes, especially concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

When Constantine won control of the Roman Empire in 312 A.D., he elevated Christianity to favored status. He soon discovered the fractured state of the church and what it believed. To bring unity, he convened a council in the year 325 that met in the city of Nicaea. Out of that convention came the Nicene Creed, which is still a standard of belief for many Christian churches.

unsafe says ----So your new creed is man making Changes to the old one -----So GordW ----if you can provide a scripture for me to show that God is always Speaking things into Creation and is always creating then I just might change my view on He rested ---


unsafe posting here ---This is the actual Hebrew word used in this scripture ----Genesis 2:2

Strong's Concordance
shabath: to
Original Word: שָׁבַת
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shabath
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-bath')
Definition: to cease, desist, rest
Brown-Driver-Briggs
שָׁבַת71 verb cease, desist, rest (As šabâtu, probably cease, be completed
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
cause to, let, make to cease, celebrate,


unsafe says ---And as far as the first part of what I posted ------
The Nicene Creed
In the first three centuries, the church was often forced into secrecy and seclusion. As a result, it was fraught with theological disputes, especially concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.


That is still a dispute today ----many don't believe Jesus was God --they believe He was a Prophet only -----

 

[paradox3]

If anyone is interested in discussing the historic creeds of the Christian church (including the Nicene creed) please start a new thread for this purpose. IMHO we are getting too far away from the text of Luke's gospel.

 

[Jaebius]

To get back to today's text, there is no mention of the Sabbath or even of Jesus resting. All we know is that He went to a deserted place at daybreak. (v. 42) The crowds followed him because they wanted to prevent Him from leaving their area.

Any thoughts about why He would have gone to this deserted place at daybreak? Was it for a rest? Or something else?

I think he went there for a quiet time communing with God.

 

[paradox3]

I think he went there for a quiet time communing with God.

This might very well explain it.

 

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unsafe Posting Luke 4:42 and Mark 1:35 ----this may answer why Jesus left at daybreak




Luke 4:42 (AMP)
42 When daybreak came, Jesus left [Simon Peter’s house] and went to a secluded place; and the crowds were searching for Him, and [they] came to Him and tried to keep Him from leaving them.



Mark 1:35 (AMP)
35 Early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left [the house], and went out to a secluded place, and was praying there.


unsafe says ----Jesus is our Model for Praying ---we should unplug from the world and find a place of solitude to have personal time in prayer to build our relationship with God ----praying early in the morning gets us focused to start and cope with our day ----

 

[paradox3]

Summary: Luke 5: 1 - 13

Jesus is standing beside the lake with the crowd pressing in on Him to hear the word of God. He sees two boats on the shore and fishermen washing their nets. He gets into Simon's boat and asks him to go a little way from the shore. Then he sits down and teaches the crowd from the boat.

Then he asks Simon to go out to deep water and put down his nets for a catch. Simon is skeptical but catches so many fish his nets are breaking. They signal to the other boat for help. Both boats are so filled with fish they begin to sink.

Simon falls down at Jesus' knees, saying, "Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man!" All are amazed at the catch of fish, including James and John, the sons of Zebedee who were partners with Simon. Then Jesus said to Simon. "Do not be afraid. From now on, you will be catching people."

After bringing their boats to shore, they leave everything and follow Jesus.

 

[paradox3]

Reflection: Luke 5: 1 - 13

Here is the crowd pressing in on Jesus to hear the word of God. Not for healing or casting out of demons this time.

Where is Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter? Interesting that Luke would have omitted this detail and added so many others.

The story implies there are more than 3 fishermen involved. Perhaps they are the hired men that Mark's gospel mentions.

The idea of going out to sea to cast our nets into deep water is a commonly used metaphor from this story. Ditto for putting down our nets and following Jesus.

 

[paradox3]

In Matthew and Mark, the healing of Simon's mother-in-law happens after the call of Simon Peter, Andrew, James and John.

Here in Luke, it took place before the call of the first disciples. Does this explain why Jesus is already known as Lord to Simon Peter?

 

[Jaebius]

Reflection: Luke 5: 1 - 13

Here is the crowd pressing in on Jesus to hear the word of God. Not for healing or casting out of demons this time.

Where is Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter? Interesting that Luke would have omitted this detail and added so many others.

The story implies there are more than 3 fishermen involved. Perhaps they are the hired men that Mark's gospel mentions.

The idea of going out to sea to cast our nets into deep water is a commonly used metaphor from this story. Ditto for putting down our nets and following Jesus.

You've divided off this section in an interesting way paradox3, since Luke 5:12-13 is just the beginning of a certain account.

Thoughts on Luke 5:1-13...

It was impossible for Jesus to avoid the crowds that gathered whenever he was announced by someone that saw him.

Here a crowd pressed upon him. They wanted to hear this man speak that preached with authority.

The crowds were hemming Jesus in, making it impossible for him to address the people.

He then looked for some way to meet the situation. He saw boats standing along the shore. They'd just come in and had been fastened by the fishers.

Jesus entered into Simon's boat. He then asked Simon to put out to some distance from the shore.

And then, Jesus taught the people from the boat. From this position he'd command of the audience and could speak to them easily. Jesus was eager to preach the Gospel.

God's Word fits in all places and at all times. Nothing's more urgent than the Word's preaching.

Jesus stopped his speech, and spoke directly to Simon, who was steering the boat, with a special request. Peter should take it far away from the shore.

These words were addressed to Peter alone, as the vessel's master; but more words, describing the manner of taking the fish, is directed to all those in the boat.

Jesus took command of the craft, as though he were the owner. It was a test of Peter's faith and belief in Jesus.

Simon's answer indicated respect for Jesus. He calls Him Master. He states that they've worked all night and have caught nothing. Simon's fisher's experience and theory he sacrifices to his faith in Jesus.

☆ Failures in our work shouldn't discourage us, whether it be in education, if we've been faithful, or in government, or in the Church. ☆

Simon's faith was blessed. Their net collected fish and began to tear. They signalled to their friends in the other boat to come and help them. And so was the catch that both boats were filled with fish. They were in danger of sinking and astounded by the miracle.

Peter was affected by the miracle. It was the first time that he could see Jesus' majesty. It occured on his vessel, with his fishnet, after his own endeavors, in his presence. And so he utters his faith, "Leave me!"

Jesus was and is true, holy God. Peter deemed himself unfit to stay any longer in the Master's presence. For he had become stupefied.

And the others of the party that were Simon's partners were the same. They feared to trust their senses.

Jesus comforted Peter. And they all from there on should be people's fishers. This should be their career; they should spend their lives in casting forth the Gospel and drawing hearts into God's kingdom.

Jesus' call was effectual. They brought their ships to the land, and, leaving all, they followed him. They were enrolled as his missionaries.

Dr. Luke doesn't tell the Gospel's stories in the order in which they occurred. This appears from the words with which he introduces his next story.

Jesus was in a Galilean city, where there was a man with leprosy. When this man saw Jesus, he fell down upon his face. Asking for a temporal gift, he places the fulfillment in Jesus' hands, "Lord, if you will, you can make me clean."

It's a prayer in statement's form. . It throws the burden upon Jesus and pleads. Jesus chooses to exercise his will, "I will, be cleansed."

And the words had the effect that Jesus intended: the leprosy left the man.

 

[Jaebius]

In Matthew and Mark, the healing of Simon's mother-in-law happens after the call of Simon Peter, Andrew, James and John.

Here in Luke, it took place before the call of the first disciples. Does this explain why Jesus is already known as Lord to Simon Peter?

An interesting thought paradox3. Could be.

 

[paradox3]

These words were addressed to Peter alone, as the vessel's master; but more words, describing the manner of taking the fish, is directed to all those in the boat.

In my mind's eye these have always been small boats, holding two people at the most. But I think you must be right, they were larger vessels with crews and they would have cast huge nets.

Dr. Luke doesn't tell the Gospel's stories in the order in which they occurred. This appears from the words with which he introduces his next story.

Interesting how the different gospel accounts vary, both in the details they provide and the order in which the stories appear. We can only imagine why Luke relates the tale the way he does. Luke's accounts are often more descriptive than the other gospel writers.

 

[Jaebius]

In my mind's eye these have always been small boats, holding two people at the most. But I think you must be right, they were larger vessels with crews and they would have cast huge nets.

An interesting description of what Peter's boat might have been like...

"But what did these boats look like? Unlike Noah’s ark, there’s no such description of Peter’s boat in the New Testament. However, in 1985, a first century fishing boat was discovered in the mud along the shore of the Sea of Galilee (which is called Kinneret by most people in Israel today). The water levels in the sea have been decreasing for several decades, due to drought and overuse in the last century, and are reaching their lowest level in a century. This drop in water level allowed the discovery of this boat. Two brothers, Moshe and Yuval Lufan, who were themselves fishermen and amateur archaeologists, discovered the boat, now officially called “the Ancient Galilee Boat.” Some people also call it “the Jesus boat.” The boat, which had been old already when it was sunk, was so waterlogged and deteriorated that it took 11 years to safely remove it from the mud. This was done by encasing it in polyurethane foam. The boat — now restored and preserved — is on display at the Yigal Allon Museum at the Kibbutz Ginosar, near Magdala, not far from where it was found. Whether or not the boat belonged to one of Jesus’ followers, it does tell us what boats of that time looked like. Since this boat was old and much repaired when it was abandoned, it had been stripped of anything useful, such as weights or oars or a mast. According to the Yigal Allon Museum, the boat is 27 by 7.5 feet and about four feet deep. It was made of many types of wood, mostly cedar and oak. It used mortice and tenon joinery, which means its pieces were pegged together. It was large enough to hold about 15 people." - Source: What did Peter’s boat look like? | The Compass

 

[paradox3]

An interesting description of what Peter's boat might have been like...

"But what did these boats look like? Unlike Noah’s ark, there’s no such description of Peter’s boat in the New Testament. However, in 1985, a first century fishing boat was discovered in the mud along the shore of the Sea of Galilee (which is called Kinneret by most people in Israel today). The water levels in the sea have been decreasing for several decades, due to drought and overuse in the last century, and are reaching their lowest level in a century. This drop in water level allowed the discovery of this boat. Two brothers, Moshe and Yuval Lufan, who were themselves fishermen and amateur archaeologists, discovered the boat, now officially called “the Ancient Galilee Boat.” Some people also call it “the Jesus boat.” The boat, which had been old already when it was sunk, was so waterlogged and deteriorated that it took 11 years to safely remove it from the mud. This was done by encasing it in polyurethane foam. The boat — now restored and preserved — is on display at the Yigal Allon Museum at the Kibbutz Ginosar, near Magdala, not far from where it was found. Whether or not the boat belonged to one of Jesus’ followers, it does tell us what boats of that time looked like. Since this boat was old and much repaired when it was abandoned, it had been stripped of anything useful, such as weights or oars or a mast. According to the Yigal Allon Museum, the boat is 27 by 7.5 feet and about four feet deep. It was made of many types of wood, mostly cedar and oak. It used mortice and tenon joinery, which means its pieces were pegged together. It was large enough to hold about 15 people." - Source: What did Peter’s boat look like? | The Compass

Very interesting to consider, @Jae

Thanks for this descriptive post.

These fisherman we read of in the gospels would have been laborers on the sea. It makes the story grittier than the picture I had in my mind. I was probably viewing them through the lens of present day recreational fishing (the only kind of fishing I have witnessed first hand). Not the same thing at all!

 

[Jaebius]

Very interesting to consider, @Jae

Thanks for this descriptive post.

These fisherman we read of in the gospels would have been laborers on the sea. It makes the story grittier than the picture I had in my mind. I was probably viewing them through the lens of present day recreational fishing (the only kind of fishing I have witnessed first hand). Not the same thing at all!

A thing I find interesting paradox2 is that Simon Peter, a professional fisher with his own fishing boat and quite possibly crew, took fishing advice from a carpenter's son.