paradox3 -----please accept my apology for this derailment but Jae Post had to be addressed -----so sorry for this -----
unsafe says ---Jae 1st off
Jae ----your quoting Matthew ---Jesus is still alive and the disciples got their power from Jesus ------the law is still in place here Jae ---blood sacrifices were still in place to cover sin -----Jesus was the only one who had the power to forgive sin and He had the Permission to do so from His Father Jae ---Jesus did nothing on His own -----
unsafe says ------The scripture you quote here Jae has nothing to do with the disciples forgiving sins -----it has everything to do with what was allowed and forbidden in the Church
----from article below ------
In Matthew 18:18, there is also a reference to the binding and loosing
in the context of church discipline. The apostles do not usurp Christ’s lordship and authority over individual believers and their eternal destiny, but they do exercise the authority to discipline and, if necessary, excommunicate disobedient church members.
Matthew 18:18 (AMP)
18 I assure you
and most solemnly say to you, whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth shall have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth shall have[already] been loosed in heaven.
unsafe posting from Got Questions -----
Question: "What does the Bible mean by binding and loosing?"
Answer: The concept of “binding and loosing” is taught in the Bible in
Matthew 16:19: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” In this verse, Jesus is speaking directly to the apostle Peter and indirectly to the other apostles.
Jesus' words meant that Peter would have the right to enter the kingdom himself, that he would have general authority symbolized by the possession of the keys, and that preaching the gospel would be the means of opening the kingdom of heaven to all believers and shutting it against unbelievers. The book of Acts shows us this process at work. By his sermon on the day of Pentecost (
Acts 2:14-40), Peter opened the door of the kingdom for the first time.
The expressions “bind” and “loose” were common to Jewish legal phraseology meaning to declare something forbidden or to declare it allowed.
Peter and the other disciples were to continue Christ’s work on earth in preaching the gospel and declaring God’s will to men and they were armed with the same authority as He possessed.
In
Matthew 18:18, there is also a reference to the binding and loosing in the context of church discipline.
The apostles do not usurp Christ’s lordship and authority over individual believers and their eternal destiny, but they do exercise the authority to discipline and, if necessary, excommunicate disobedient church members.
It’s not that the apostles were given the privilege of changing God’s mind, as if whatever they decided on earth would be duplicated in heaven; rather, they were encouraged that, as they moved forward in their apostolic duties, they would be fulfilling God’s plan in heaven. When the apostles “bound” something, or forbade it on earth, they were carrying out the will of God in the matter. When they “loosed” something, or allowed it on earth, they were likewise fulfilling God’s eternal plan. In both
Matthew 16:19 and
18:18, the syntax of the Greek text makes the meaning clear: “Whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens” (
Matthew 16:19, Young’s Literal Translation). Or, as the Amplified Bible puts it, “Whatever you bind [forbid, declare to be improper and unlawful] on earth will have [already] been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose [permit, declare lawful] on earth will have [already] been loosed in heaven.”
Jesus taught that the apostles had a special task on earth. Their words of authority, as recorded in the New Testament epistles, reflect God’s will for the church. When Paul declared an anathema on those who pervert the gospel, then we know that anathema was already declared in heaven (see
Galatians 1:8–9).
Jae your quote here ----- Jesus gives to his missionaries heaven's keys. The entire church has the power to bind and to loose,
to forgive the sins of penitent sinners, but to retain the sins of the impenitent, so long as they don't repent.
unsafe says second ----- no power was ever given to the Disciples to forgive sins Jae ---that is God's alone ------you can believe what you want to just like you believe you were hand picked to be save --all false doctrine -----in my Bible ----If ministers and priest many of whom aren't saved by the way --and we disciples can forgive sins just by saying we forgive your sins then Jesus died and was tortured and shed His Blood for nothing -----
unsafe says ----Jae this statement you make here -----
to forgive the sins of penitent sinners, but to retain the sins of the impenitent, so long as they don't repent. ----
unsafe says ------We Human don't know a persons heart --God is the only one who knows what is in the heart of a person ----that is way beyond our Pay Grade ----- we couldn't begin to make that decision -----
Jae ---Your Quote --------If this power's exercised in accordance with Jesus' order, the sentence's valid before God. It must be remembered that this power's given to edification. It's to be a means for gaining sinners and for comforting the weak.
unsafe says -----the only power I know He gave was to Preach the Good News and by preaching the word which inbirths Saving Faith that in itself will produce the power to bring one to want to be saved the right way ------
which is by doing what the scriptures say ----Romans 10 --
if you Jae or anyone else have not followed this scripture to be saved ----good luck when you bow before the One True God -----you either believe the scripture --Or you don't --you either obey the scripture or you don't ----there is no inbetween and there is no second chance after you die ---- not according to scripture ----not all Grace saves and not all Faith saves ----there is Saving Grace that comes through Saving Faith that saves -----according to scripture ----
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Romans 10:9-11 Amplified Bible (AMP)
9 because if you acknowledge
and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God],
and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges
and confesses [his faith openly],
resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him[whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] will not be disappointed [in his expectations].”
Now back to Luke -------again I apologize for this rant paradox3
