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chansen said:
God clearly didn't. We evolved over time. Those who say that evolution was the tool used by God have to pinpoint the exact moment we became human. Was it 200,000 years ago? 100,000? 10,000?
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Before anyone dismisses chansen, he has a very important question for Christians who accept evolution. When you say "God loves everyone", who is the everyone?

Is it everyone in the species homo sapiens (ie. us)?

Is it everyone in the genus homo (i.e. adding in Neanderthals, Denisovans, Erectus, Habilis, maybe Naledi)? If God loved the other homo species, then why did only Sapiens survive (admittedly, absorbing some bits of the first two through interbreeding)?

Is it everyone in the hominini tribe, adding in Australopithecines and chimps?

You can keep going, because evolution says that we as a species don't stand in isolation and aren't really any more "special" than any other species on the tree of life. IOW, if you accept evolution, that we are just another step in an ongoing process of change, how can "everyone" mean anything other than all life, from unicellular all the way up to mammals?

Which is why I suggested when posting about the UU first principle that there is a good argument to be made that "inherent worth and dignity of every person" should be amended to "inherent worth and dignity of every being".
 
Mendalla said:
Before anyone dismisses chansen, he has a very important question for Christians who accept evolution. When you say "God loves everyone", who is the everyone?

Is it everyone in the species homo sapiens (ie. us)?

Is it everyone in the genus homo (i.e. adding in Neanderthals, Denisovans, Erectus, Habilis, maybe Naledi)? If God loved the other homo species, then why did only Sapiens survive (admittedly, absorbing some bits of the first two through interbreeding)?

Is it everyone in the hominini tribe, adding in Australopithecines and chimps?

You can keep going, because evolution says that we as a species don't stand in isolation and aren't really any more "special" than any other species on the tree of life. IOW, if you accept evolution, that we are just another step in an ongoing process of change, how can "everyone" mean anything other than all life, from unicellular all the way up to mammals?
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The Grace and Love of God extends to all of Creation

Which is why I suggested when posting about the UU first principle that there is a good argument to be made that "inherent worth and dignity of every person" should be amended to "inherent worth and dignity of every being".
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I disagree, not ever being has personhood, clearly some life forms take president and order in Gods Creation.
 
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Define personhood. And why should it determine precedence and worthiness in Creation? The dinosaurs dominated the planet for many time longer than we've even existed. I have great respect for them, more than for us in some ways.

(Fixed your post, by the way, @blackbelt1961 . The quote tags got messed up.)
 
And who is to say we're most fit to be in charge? Elephants seem to have more empathy than we; octopii advanced problem solving skills.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And who is to say we're most fit to be in charge? Elephants seem to have more empathy than we; octopii advanced problem solving skills.
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Well, the religious Judaeo-Christian answer would be "God does" and point at Genesis. The secular answer is "we do" and we could well be wrong on that point.
 
Mendalla said:
Define personhood. And why should it determine precedence and worthiness in Creation? The dinosaurs dominated the planet for many time longer than we've even existed. I have great respect for them, more than for us in some ways.
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Personhood

the state or fact of being a person, the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics ,feelings, a mind emotions and will to move it according to a moral based on Good, Bad, ect , further more to create in others and the natural world according its desires , emotions, inspirations in spirit, a functioning conscience, I think , I believe Therefore I AM

animals have being, are living, but have no personhood , I see a higher order of Life in man over the animal Kingdom
 
Mendalla said:
Well, the religious Judaeo-Christian answer would be "God does" and point at Genesis. The secular answer is "we do" and we could well be wrong on that point.
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The question is not , about one being fit but of one having the capabilities , we have them , animals don't , even though we abuse them, we still have them
 
blackbelt1961 said:
Personhood

the state or fact of being a person, the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics ,feelings, a mind emotions and will to move it according to a moral based on Good, Bad, ect , further more to create in others and the natural world according its desires , emotions, inspirations in spirit, a functioning conscience, I think , I believe Therefore I AM

animals have being, are living, but have no personhood , I see a higher order of Life in man over the animal Kingdom
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When did we evolve to "personhood"?
 
Sorry, forgot you were a creationist. Not sure why I would think you weren't.
 
If one sees God in relationship, God is in relationship with all creation. If one sees God as loving the world, God is in loving relationship with all creation.
Then God loves humans, homo sapiens. But God also loves our coousins, the great apes -- and the dogs, cats, elephants, eagles, whales and fishes, and the misquitos and worms and all that lives.
God loves the trees (so do I), the forests, the fields and flowers.
God also loves the inanimate things in creation - the earth, air and water. I can imagine Godd's sorrow at the melting of the icecaps and the suffering that results when things get out of balance.
 
Are there white washed weasels that are discoloured in the snow as a creative twist? Ermine able ... or prone to termination within closed circles and bells ...

Thus the poetic coming out of de bells ... as Southern Traditions ... de butt ante moves?
 
Seeler said:
If one sees God in relationship, God is in relationship with all creation. If one sees God as loving the world, God is in loving relationship with all creation.
Then God loves humans, homo sapiens. But God also loves our coousins, the great apes -- and the dogs, cats, elephants, eagles, whales and fishes, and the misquitos and worms and all that lives.
God loves the trees (so do I), the forests, the fields and flowers.
God also loves the inanimate things in creation - the earth, air and water. I can imagine Godd's sorrow at the melting of the icecaps and the suffering that results when things get out of balance.
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Hi Seeler-- Up to were I underlined . I am in agreement with you. Do you know Mars tempt has climbed 10 degrees in the last 10 years? Must be all that traffic up there;). God controls what will be!. At one time there was 150 ft of ice were I sett today. We are in a warming trend just now, and have been for a wile. Even so , I would agree we have to much pollution made by humankind.
 
If god is love, could thinking process be the devil to earthy authority .. if they connected would you get a sol-spirit connection with processing ability regarding strange stuff ... that could be defined as rite ouda here and now?

Such a perspective from beyond could explain biblical terms about not approaching epistemological incidents ... a crossing of knowledge and wisdom which authorities would not appreciate in underlings ... partisans? If sublime would that be humble humis ... if you put may man 'ours into it as gravitas?

The battle for fecundity goes on ... that Gloria Steinem woman ... female facetiae? Do such masques fit over the scull territory ... a mostly dark aria ... given the howls released when cracking into one ... sub ligneous humus as he plays that Schroder tune ... a wave form?
 
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