Another Hypothetical Question. Thank you Waterfall. (posted here. because it is in regard to morality.)

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Jae said:
Yes, the disparity between wealth and poverty is troubling. It's heart-wrenching to think that while a few are rich, many go homeless and hungry. This imbalance is not in line with the good world that God intended.

We are called to be stewards of God's creation, and that includes caring for one another. Our actions toward others are important.

Elon's wealth must not overshadow the truth that every life is precious. As a believer, I must use my resources wisely, to support those in need
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Some deny the void is expanding and endangering the wealth because it stands poorly by it's elf ... when the ground of being disappears ... what now brown thing? Dan Keish'n ... Germanic ... kiss 've the devil huh!
 
Elon’s wealth is unfathomable and does he do anything charitable? I’ve only heard of relatively small charitable acts. Otherwise he uses money to beget more money. During the prayers of the people today I prayed that he and Trump would be struck by a bolt of conscience.
 
I've heard of Elon giving to charity, I don't know his motivations...tax break or sincerely wanting to help?
 
Why should you expect Elon and others who have money part with theirs to feed the hungry ===when you yourself won't share what you have with the poor ----

if your so upset with people that have money and you don't -------Go sell what stuff you have and give it to the poor and set the example for the money makers so that they may see what the poor are doing for the poor ----

have a look at your own finances and all the STUFF you have ---Probably--WHAT ----2 TV or more ---house--Condo or nice Apt full of furniture ----salary if your working ----Computers or tablets how many ?????? Car or two ----etc --etc --etc --
Go sell it all and give it to a homeless man so he can get off the street ---or go buy food for the poor --instead of complaining about the rich and what they do ---and have etc -----Be the Example ---maybe other will follow ====

like the Widow's Mite ---she gave all she had ----set the example -----

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Waterfall said:
I've heard of Elon giving to charity, I don't know his motivations...tax break or sincerely wanting to help?
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Frnakly I don't care. Being a Billionaire is immoral. Hoarding that amount of wealth is immoral (hoarding almost anything else would be sign of an unhealthy mind). A society that allows it to happen has a serious morality problem.
 
GordW said:
Frnakly I don't care. Being a Billionaire is immoral. Hoarding that amount of wealth is immoral (hoarding almost anything else would be sign of an unhealthy mind). A society that allows it to happen has a serious morality problem.
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Hardly hoarding!

He is investing in things he believes in. Employing many. Internet for every inch of the earth. Super cool space technology NASA et al cannot touch. He almost lost it all a few times.

Immoral is knowing the gospel and not sharing it. Gold is not important in God’s Kingdom. It is merely pavement.
 
GordW said:
Frnakly I don't care. Being a Billionaire is immoral. Hoarding that amount of wealth is immoral (hoarding almost anything else would be sign of an unhealthy mind). A society that allows it to happen has a serious morality problem.
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Let's be clear, Elon (or any billionaire) does not have billions of dollars sitting in the bank. He has assets valued at billions of dollars, mostly stock in companies or actual companies that he owns (like X). His wealth actually fluctuates with the value of those assets. If Tesla or SpaceX crashed, he'd drop down the billionaire list significantly. So he's not hoarding money here, he's accumulating wealth through increases in the value of those assets. If he sold off those assets, then he would have billions in the bank but people like him rarely do that. If they sell assets, it's to acquire other assets. So I am not sure what he is hoarding. If his assets go up in value, he gets rich. If they go down, he doesn't. He isn't hoarding anything. And if he sells those assets to give away the money, then someone else buys them and gets rich off of them instead, potentially. If you want to get rid of billionaires, then the solution is to basically shut down the entire market system of capitalism and go back to small, family or individually owned companies that operate entirely locally with no such thing as public trading of shares. That comes with a raft of problems of its own.

So I think we are going to be living with billionaires for a long time to come and the best approach is to structure tax systems to draw more of that wealth into public institutions. They are not going away.
 
unsafe said:
Why should you expect Elon and others who have money part with theirs to feed the hungry ===when you yourself won't share what you have with the poor ----

if your so upset with people that have money and you don't -------Go sell what stuff you have and give it to the poor and set the example for the money makers so that they may see what the poor are doing for the poor ----

have a look at your own finances and all the STUFF you have ---Probably--WHAT ----2 TV or more ---house--Condo or nice Apt full of furniture ----salary if your working ----Computers or tablets how many ?????? Car or two ----etc --etc --etc --
Go sell it all and give it to a homeless man so he can get off the street ---or go buy food for the poor --instead of complaining about the rich and what they do ---and have etc -----Be the Example ---maybe other will follow ====

like the Widow's Mite ---she gave all she had ----set the example -----

Now there is a Hypothetical Answer -----
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Good reminder!
 
unsafe said:
Why should you expect Elon and others who have money part with theirs to feed the hungry ===when you yourself won't share what you have with the poor ----

if your so upset with people that have money and you don't -------Go sell what stuff you have and give it to the poor and set the example for the money makers so that they may see what the poor are doing for the poor ----

have a look at your own finances and all the STUFF you have ---Probably--WHAT ----2 TV or more ---house--Condo or nice Apt full of furniture ----salary if your working ----Computers or tablets how many ?????? Car or two ----etc --etc --etc --
Go sell it all and give it to a homeless man so he can get off the street ---or go buy food for the poor --instead of complaining about the rich and what they do ---and have etc -----Be the Example ---maybe other will follow ====

like the Widow's Mite ---she gave all she had ----set the example -----

Now there is a Hypothetical Answer -----
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Hi unsafe!!!

Good points. It is funny when people who are not so good with money think they are qualified to tell people who are good with money how they have to spend it.

Most people who win the lottery are broke again soon after.

And when people start threatening to take away rich people’s money, the rich people take their money and go somewhere else and all the economy they created and everyone they employed lose their jobs and the pie gets smaller.

Good old NDP!

 
Waterfall said:
I've heard of Elon giving to charity, I don't know his motivations...tax break or sincerely wanting to help?
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Who knows? Only way to know would be to ask the guy
GordW said:
Frnakly I don't care. Being a Billionaire is immoral. Hoarding that amount of wealth is immoral (hoarding almost anything else would be sign of an unhealthy mind). A society that allows it to happen has a serious morality problem.
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That way of life, this unusual concatenation of circumstances that has resulted in so much progress and wealth I see as falling apart. Materialistic Naturalism and with it things like Free Market Capitalism are failing. No wonder the globe is scrambling to figure oot what to do. Including UN, WHO, Davos, etc.
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
Hi unsafe!!!

Good points. It is funny when people who are not so good with money think they are qualified to tell people who are good with money how they have to spend it.
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Imagine the internet where people only talked aboot what they knew? :3

I don't think GordW actually did that upthread. But you are free to have that opinion :3
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
And when people start threatening to take away rich people’s money, the rich people take their money and go somewhere else and all the economy they created and everyone they employed lose their jobs and the pie gets smaller.
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Always problems
Always
Again, interested to see what is going to come next

Don't you think that Musk, having access to so many resources, which I think has never happened before in human existence, is a kind of existential threat? There may not be a solution, I realize that...

Where is his accountability and responsibility? He has access to more resources than a lot of countries...he can move quicker than a gov't, so his efforts, good and bad, also can move quicker? So how does he be careful with his efforts? With great power comes great responsibility...
 
Well I think anyone with scads of money should not be in a high position in government that enables to monitor themself. eg . FAA; safety standards for cars, or not being answerable for numerous rockets blowing up, or brain implants without proper monitoring or even using vulnerable humans for experimentation on those implants without reasonable testing first.
And government officials should not be allowed to accept huge donations during elections to prevent undo influencing. IMO.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
Given that it's estimated at 394.2 billion.
In years neither Earth nor the universe as we know it existed. It would be even before time began.
In days Earth was in Mid-Proterozoic Era. and the first eukaryotic cells had evolved
In hours the Earth was in Eocene Epoch of the Paleogene Era and early primates were evolving into more modern forms.
In minutes the Earth was in Pleistocene Epoch ( the discovery fire) early Humans( homo heidelbergensis) and Neanderthals were emerging with sabre-tooth tigers.
And in seconds the Earth was at the end of Ice Age and Humans were hunter-gatherers and early farming societies. the oldest temple Göbekli Tepe was built.
So a good statement to say is Elon Musk the ultimate greedmeister has "More money than time."
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I’m going to quote this again because it’s so impressive (your calculations, that is)! You should write an op-ed about this, and have it published!
 
Delightful Life said:

I totally forgot aboot Musk helping build ventilators during the Pandemic...
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Because of the the amount he has, anything he does to help???? Is covered by either tax exemption or the interest he makes in a minute. If what he did made difference to his wealth, then that would be honourable but it doesn't, there was once a singer who gave 10,000 every month to charity and he was praised for it. but because of the wealth he had. it was the equivalent to me or you giving a penny to charity each month. Not much at all when you look at it like that, considering he got it back in tax exemption and interest .
 
unsafe said:
Why should you expect Elon and others who have money part with theirs to feed the hungry ===when you yourself won't share what you have with the poor ----

if your so upset with people that have money and you don't -------Go sell what stuff you have and give it to the poor and set the example for the money makers so that they may see what the poor are doing for the poor ----

have a look at your own finances and all the STUFF you have ---Probably--WHAT ----2 TV or more ---house--Condo or nice Apt full of furniture ----salary if your working ----Computers or tablets how many ?????? Car or two ----etc --etc --etc --
Go sell it all and give it to a homeless man so he can get off the street ---or go buy food for the poor --instead of complaining about the rich and what they do ---and have etc -----Be the Example ---maybe other will follow ====

like the Widow's Mite ---she gave all she had ----set the example -----

Now there is a Hypothetical Answer -----
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Who are you directing this BS at?????
 
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