And they're off...the election thread

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The issues discussed in a campaign don't matter. Most of them are not worth holding an election over. What's important is the principles that the parties stand for - and that doesn't get mentioned much in elections.

After most of a life time of studying Canadian history, I have no idea what principles the Liberals and Conservatives stand for - or have ever stood for since 1867.

The Greens have principles - but they're narrowly focused. A government cannot function on just one issue.

The NDP had principles when it was the CCF. They were the only party that thought of the needs of people. (With one exception. RBBennett,, close to the end of his term, felt the needs of Canadian people in the depression - and he began major efforts to help them. But no Conservative has ever followed his example.) Mackenzie King near the end of his career initiated changes - but his motives were purely political. King never looked beyond his own bellybutton.

The CCF actually arose from the Methodist and then United Churches. But it could make little progress because it had very little money to fight elections. That's why, in order to get unions to contribute, it moved more to the centre as the NDP.

However, unions can't give it enough support to compete with big business donations to the Liberals and, especially, the Conservatives. They have piles of money for this election.

Harper has pretty much sold us out to international big business, and has made us a colony of the U.S. as we once were of Britain. If he gets another term, Canada is over. That's not an exaggeration. He has contempt for democracy. And a love for big business that tells me he is going to retire a very rich man.

Justin Trudeau is there only because he is a rich man's kid who looks good on video. I knew his father fairly well. And Justin is no Pierre Trudeau. He's not particularly intelligent, and he has no values that I know of.

As well, the Liberal party is out of talent. It's last five choices for leader have been stinkers. That tells you a lot about the death of the Liberal Party of MacKenzie King.

For me, the Conservatives and the Liberals are unthinkable. The Greens aren't going to win. I don't much like what the NDP has become. But it has some shreds of its origins left - so it's the only acceptable one of the lot.

Canada is within inches of becoming a failed democracy - just like the U.S. We are almost entirely controlled by big business. The whole world, including Russia and China, has been going in that direction since the days of Ronald Reagan and that ultimate sleaze, Brian Mulroney.
 
From what I understand for my riding:

Liberals - well ahead
Conservative incumbant - second (a nice guy from a nice family, but follows the party line (ie Harper))
Greens and NDP - pretty much a tie

I know that the CONS are promoting 'vote now - vote Conservative' but I'm going to wait to make up my mind. Do I vote strategically? Or will the Liberals have a large enough lead that I can vote for the party of my choice? ABC
 
From what I understand for my riding:

Liberals - well ahead
Conservative incumbant - second (a nice guy from a nice family, but follows the party line (ie Harper))
Greens and NDP - pretty much a tie

I know that the CONS are promoting 'vote now - vote Conservative' but I'm going to wait to make up my mind. Do I vote strategically? Or will the Liberals have a large enough lead that I can vote for the party of my choice? ABC
Pay attention to BC because we'll be last to vote. NDP is leading, here. Likewise, we'll be paying attention to you because you'll be first. I'm voting near the end of the day - there is probably going to be a big line-up.
 
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Here in Etobicoke Center it's a close race between Conservative incumbent Ted Opitz and Liberal Borys Wesneschooskavy. The NDP and Green party candidates are far behind.
 
I used to live beside Borys W. I would be cautious. His real motivator is and ha always been Ukraine. He and his family. I am not aure he ever had Etobicoke interests at heart. Nice guy but he mainly want to help Chernoble.
 
I used to live beside Borys W. I would be cautious. His real motivator is and ha always been Ukraine. He and his family. I am not aure he ever had Etobicoke interests at heart. Nice guy but he mainly want to help Chernoble.

Thanks for the tip Lastpointe. I've noticed that he's very pro-Ukraine, but can he not love Etobicoke as well? I did some hunting online today to see if there are any all-candidate meetings coming up in this riding, but I didn't find any. I always enjoy going to those to see who the locals are.
 
The word "progressive" before conservative has no meaning. There has never been anything progressive about that party. The only reason the word progressive is there is because the conservatives needed a new leader during World War 2. They really had nobody, so they turned to a prairies premier whose party was the progressive party. He agreed - on condition they rename the party Progressive Conservative. (There were no significant changes in programme.)

The prairie progressives were offspring of the same movement (heavily religious) that gave birth to the CCF - NDP. So one branch became socialist. The other became a far right party which, under Bible Bill Aberhart, catered to big business and tantalized voters with absurd "funny money" schemes. His role was carried on by Manning's father who led the party deeper into the right of Canadian politics - while retaining a dose of Christian fundamentalism.

The real issues are simple.
The Conservative Party (under any name) believes in allowing big business complete freedom to do whatever it wants. That's why Harper has destroyed so much of our environmental protection laws.

The Liberal haven't had a political philosophy since Lester Pearson. But they have generally been very similar to the conservatives.

Both parties are very, very close to Mussolini's fascism. And I'm using fascism in one of its correct meanings - a system of government in which big business has a role within the government - without getting elected. That's why big business in the U.S. and Canada supported Hitler and Mussolini right up to 1939 and, in the case of the U.S. even longer.
That's why Charlie Chaplin was crucified in 1940 for making "The Great Dictator". That's why a huge portrait of Henry Ford was a feature of Hitler's office until almost 1942.

Here, in New Brunswick, the billionaire Irving (who also owns all our newspapers) announced in the paper about five years ago that he was in coalition with the government, and would be planning the New Brunswick budget. And he appointed the advisors to the Minister of Finance (who was also an employee of his). Nobody said a word - though coalition does not mean to cooperate. He was claiming, without election, to be a member of the government. That's fascism.
 
Pay attention to BC because we'll be last to vote. NDP is leading, here. Likewise, we'll be paying attention to you because you'll be first. I'm voting near the end of the day - there is probably going to be a big line-up.
Has it always been that way? I thought there were times when if say AB the polls were 9am-9pm BC would be 8am-8pm. It wasn't across country of course, but there were a few timezones where the polls would close together. It very well might be a false memory due to more frivolous voting issues - ie. Canadian Idol

I can't find the voting times for election day, just the other poll options, so maybe that is how it's done this year?
 
Has it always been that way? I thought there were times when if say AB the polls were 9am-9pm BC would be 8am-8pm. It wasn't across country of course, but there were a few timezones where the polls would close together. It very well might be a false memory due to more frivolous voting issues - ie. Canadian Idol

I can't find the voting times for election day, just the other poll options, so maybe that is how it's done this year?

Yeah but there used to be a media blackout law - so people didn't see the vote counts come in until after all the polls closed. That was changed apparently. Correct me if I'm wrong, please - I was sure I read that somewhere credible. Probably, if true, because it was too hard to control with social media - I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason.
 
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Yeah but there used to be a media blackout law - so people didn't see the vote counts come in until after all the polls closed. That was changed apparently. Probably because it was too hard to control with social media - I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason.
I remember that, wasn't it the just the last election where that was a big issue? Social media was the problem, I didn't know, or forgot that it changed.

I'm just wondering if BC & AB polls will close at the same time. We can compare times later. It's actually a factor I've been interested in before, do different polling times make a difference? I know many people like to vote in the morning they plan to leave early on their way to work if they start late enough. Polls opening at 7, 8 or 9 am makes a huge difference that way.
 
I remember that, wasn't it the just the last election where that was a big issue? Social media was the problem, I didn't know, or forgot that it changed.

I'm just wondering if BC & AB polls will close at the same time. We can compare times later. It's actually a factor I've been interested in before, do different polling times make a difference? I know many people like to vote in the morning they plan to leave early on their way to work if they start late enough. Polls opening at 7, 8 or 9 am makes a huge difference that way.
I'm questioning my memory, if that's indeed true. I'm sure I read that in a news article, but better make sure.
 
I'm questioning my memory, if that's indeed true. I'm sure I read that in a news article, but better make sure.
You're right
Transmission of results
  • The ban on the early transmission of results was repealed. Election results may now be transmitted nationally as they become available on election night. The publication of new election survey results continues to be prohibited on election day until the polls close (CEA)
    Voting hours on election day
In the past though when the polls closed still made a bit of a difference when watching results, further East most of the stations had reported whereas we would be watching them more like provincial/municipal elections, the results changing as more stations had them sent in. Just couldn't watch that when people were still able to vote.
 
You're right
Transmission of results
  • The ban on the early transmission of results was repealed. Election results may now be transmitted nationally as they become available on election night. The publication of new election survey results continues to be prohibited on election day until the polls close (CEA)
    Voting hours on election day
In the past though when the polls closed still made a bit of a difference when watching results, further East most of the stations had reported whereas we would be watching them more like provincial/municipal elections, the results changing as more stations had them sent in. Just couldn't watch that when people were still able to vote.

Beat me to it! :)
 
I think the ban on eaarly transmission of results was pretty much impossible with the advveent of social media. Anything happening in the East is immediately known in the West - and not just by a single expensive long-distance phone call to dear old Aunt Sadie.
 
I think the ban on eaarly transmission of results was pretty much impossible with the advveent of social media. Anything happening in the East is immediately known in the West - and not just by a single expensive long-distance phone call to dear old Aunt Sadie.

Plus we had cases of US media and online sources reporting them which were outside Elections Canada's jurisdiction. In a wired, globalized world a ban like this is unsustainable. Even the ban on poll results could likely be circumvented if you used an international (ie. not incorporate in Canada) polling firm and reported the results in a non-Canadian source.
 
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