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Neo said:
Great link Bette, there's a lot there...

Personally, I believe much of the confusion with this subject comes from not understanding the separation or the differences between Lucifer, Satan, and the devil, or even that there is a difference.

Lucifer is a great Solar Angel whereas Satan represents the material forces and consequently the fires of this world, a world that Lucifer is currently transiting. The devil is simply the personification of d-evil, that selfishness that leads to the material-only aspect of our being.
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That's a Lucid perspective ...
 
If there was a hole in the spirit of emotions ... would that be an isolated or distributed thought as lost by god (ether-net as connection or relationship)? St Nich of Myra said that God's spirit is all over but God's mind is displaced ... therein is the pit we dwell upon ... Milton's Satyr? Authority hates virtual critical senses ...

Should one think in isolation like Isaiah, Moses and all those adept's of the forgotten past? Could these be heavenly advisors underfoot as the world is not flat and does go round. Older scientists have a sense of humour and know those that don't desire to know ... learn through accrued hummus ... metaphorical satire ?

My best teachers all through school told stories ... why myth is something to gather wonder of how it is dunne ... ochre 'd ... burned mire? Some authority will burn everything to change control their way and thus the burnt earth policy ... thus stuff runs deep in the un-conscience ... something sublime ... ridiculous from the farce Ide?
 
The key is prescience ... the gift of Leers ... sometimes called futurists ... but without doubt they are never sure! Forms the basis of quantum energy ... chancy stuff?
 
In the Book of Proverbs a lot is said about fools and not learning to strive towards a wise position ... it is an indeterminate point ... abstract zone or just a point of mind like a bo-sun ...
 
I am back ..... a bit.....
I would like to explain why I suddenly had to step away and how it relates to the subject of this
thread. Please understand that it was not because of what someone here said.
Ok.... this is personal so bear with me and make allowances should I not say something clearly
please.
This goes back about 3 weeks......
My mother is going to be 88 soon and she is in the early to mid stages of dementia and
altzheimers. My Saturdays are our precious time together. Mom knows all about me and she
discusses things with me almost every time we are together alone. She tries so hard to
understand. Now for her ... at her request.... I only present as male to give her the son she needs.
This I do out of love.....
A very important weekly event for her is to go to mass on Saturday evenings at her church.
She is Catholic and this is important for her and at that particular mass all her church friends
are there. I make sure she is there every week and I would go in and sit with her very quietly
and respectfully. I have done this for quite some time and many in the congregation have come to
like me and be quite friendly. In short .... a very nice bunch of persons....
..............................
Important point ..... the rest of this is not intended as a Catholic bashing.
This could be any church from any denomination so please use that as the lens for what I am going
to say.
.............................
I know the official Catholic stance on LGBTQ issues and I have never once brought it up and I
don't imagine anyone there knows about me.
This particular Saturday mass .... oh my...
I happened to have one of my grandchildren with us ..... just to make things even worse..... and we
were sitting only 1/3 back from the front.
Mass proceeds ... time for the homily (sermon)....
It starts with "the world" stuff and how evil it is etc. My eyes snap open .... I have sat
through so many of these sorts of sermons during my evangelical years. Such a good way to stir
up a crowd and present you favourite evils.
Ohhh no I thought .... please don't ... but he did....
Within 20 seconds he went from the evils of women and abortion to same sex marriage being based on
lust... and oh how he savoured that word.... and then on to me....
"...and then there are men that think they are women" he said.....
It was like being gutted ....worse .... much worse .......
Even now I cannot describe the pain.
I stood up at that point ... looked at him .... and walked out....apparently my face was grey.
I went to my car and sat there crying and trembling....
I had tried so hard to shield myself from that church .... not my church ... don't become attached
...protect yourself.... Even with that the words were devastating.
By the way .... one of the ushers ... an older lady that really likes me and my mother came out to
see if I was ok and what was wrong. This is the one that hugs everyone every week. We hugged
and she was the one to love me and comfort me at that moment.
I waited in the car for my mom and grandson to come out so we could go home. What was said did
not register with my mom because of her disease and I was careful to to transfer the burden of
hurt to her of course.
I was and still am so devastated and recovering. I refuse to let hate plant its seeds.
Now to relate this to this thread.....
Here I am a very resilient person well versed in theological objections and able to handle such
discussions.
I had grown to love and care for this group of persons in spite of trying so hard to maintain
distance and not get attached. I had become vulnerable....
Now imagine ..... what chance does a LGBTQ young person that has a church like this as their
family church have? What of the families that happen to have a LGBTQ person in their family?
Here I was trying so hard to protect myself against the inveitable and I failed.
I have been working my way out of a deep depression ever since .
Imagine this happening to a young person .... does the church kill in doing this?
I would say the suicide rates answer that..... and once again I personally know the pain and despair.
I still take mom to Saturday mass .... I don't go in now .... I wait in the car.
Sorry ... I have to stop here for now..... I hurt.....
 
There are people that would never believe the hurt dealt out in such a blurb of thoughtlessness ... then if you do not believe in knowledge, etc ...

Perhaps these people need to be exposed to bottom line pain?

I have been told I imagined being cursed by Christian ministers for being a single parent child although there are obvious other experiences of a single parent child in the biblical context of the abstract ... which may be a metaphor of thought ... leading to a further wisdom ... far out there? Wisdom doesn't seem to exist in the real world as it is part of the mind/soul/psyche of great sophistication ... and outlandish settlement! Well dash that concept and another thought drifted off like dollars taking flight ... alternate intelligence?
 
RitaTG said:
I am back ..... a bit.....
I would like to explain why I suddenly had to step away and how it relates to the subject of this
thread. Please understand that it was not because of what someone here said.
Ok.... this is personal so bear with me and make allowances should I not say something clearly
please.
This goes back about 3 weeks......
My mother is going to be 88 soon and she is in the early to mid stages of dementia and
altzheimers. My Saturdays are our precious time together. Mom knows all about me and she
discusses things with me almost every time we are together alone. She tries so hard to
understand. Now for her ... at her request.... I only present as male to give her the son she needs.
This I do out of love.....
A very important weekly event for her is to go to mass on Saturday evenings at her church.
She is Catholic and this is important for her and at that particular mass all her church friends
are there. I make sure she is there every week and I would go in and sit with her very quietly
and respectfully. I have done this for quite some time and many in the congregation have come to
like me and be quite friendly. In short .... a very nice bunch of persons....
..............................
Important point ..... the rest of this is not intended as a Catholic bashing.
This could be any church from any denomination so please use that as the lens for what I am going
to say.
.............................
I know the official Catholic stance on LGBTQ issues and I have never once brought it up and I
don't imagine anyone there knows about me.
This particular Saturday mass .... oh my...
I happened to have one of my grandchildren with us ..... just to make things even worse..... and we
were sitting only 1/3 back from the front.
Mass proceeds ... time for the homily (sermon)....
It starts with "the world" stuff and how evil it is etc. My eyes snap open .... I have sat
through so many of these sorts of sermons during my evangelical years. Such a good way to stir
up a crowd and present you favourite evils.
Ohhh no I thought .... please don't ... but he did....
Within 20 seconds he went from the evils of women and abortion to same sex marriage being based on
lust... and oh how he savoured that word.... and then on to me....
"...and then there are men that think they are women" he said.....
It was like being gutted ....worse .... much worse .......
Even now I cannot describe the pain.
I stood up at that point ... looked at him .... and walked out....apparently my face was grey.
I went to my car and sat there crying and trembling....
I had tried so hard to shield myself from that church .... not my church ... don't become attached
...protect yourself.... Even with that the words were devastating.
By the way .... one of the ushers ... an older lady that really likes me and my mother came out to
see if I was ok and what was wrong. This is the one that hugs everyone every week. We hugged
and she was the one to love me and comfort me at that moment.
I waited in the car for my mom and grandson to come out so we could go home. What was said did
not register with my mom because of her disease and I was careful to to transfer the burden of
hurt to her of course.
I was and still am so devastated and recovering. I refuse to let hate plant its seeds.
Now to relate this to this thread.....
Here I am a very resilient person well versed in theological objections and able to handle such
discussions.
I had grown to love and care for this group of persons in spite of trying so hard to maintain
distance and not get attached. I had become vulnerable....
Now imagine ..... what chance does a LGBTQ young person that has a church like this as their
family church have? What of the families that happen to have a LGBTQ person in their family?
Here I was trying so hard to protect myself against the inveitable and I failed.
I have been working my way out of a deep depression ever since .
Imagine this happening to a young person .... does the church kill in doing this?
I would say the suicide rates answer that..... and once again I personally know the pain and despair.
I still take mom to Saturday mass .... I don't go in now .... I wait in the car.
Sorry ... I have to stop here for now..... I hurt.....
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The church will only be what it's supposed to be when we resemble that usher and not the pastor. I'm so sorry you're in pain. I'll be praying.
 
Now there is a deep and probing abstract .... take it well Rita ... thoughts do assist in straightening out corrupt desires ...
 
RitaTG said:
Sorry ... I have to stop here for now..... I hurt.....
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You have no need to apologize to us for the pain you feel. If anything we should be here to support and comfort you in the midst of that pain.

This, of course is a difficult reality, willing to become vulnerable in a community which does not think twice about the pain that their words will bring. Or worse, does consider the pain and causes the hurt anyway.

I grieve that you have been hurt.

More than that I rejoice in the fact that you are a devoted child and a caring person and I hope that never suffers from encounters such as this.
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. Thank you also for sharing the pain that you felt, although I wish that it hadn't been inflicted on you in the first place. Thoughts are with you.
 
This is what we need to hear - however painful it is to the person telling the story - this is what we need to know they are talking about when a story like this is shared. This is what people mean when they say that they needd to know that they will be safe in our church. This is why I am working with a small committee to make our church not only 'welcoming' but officially 'affirming'. And we ass a congregation need to know that every guest speaker (lay or ordained), every Sunday School teacher, every youth leader, every usher is reminded that we are an Affirming Congregation and that the rainbow community is welcome and valued among us.
Rita - thank you for helping to open my eyes.
 
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