An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

[Luce NDs]

Ha Ha Ha ...

And the bible has no conflicts ... and thus perfection of spirit is right out of here ...

Just a breath away but the anima will be consumed inna flash ... of in-sight? Nothing left but animus in glow ... a sort of flame in a dark place!

No wonder I trip doubt ...

 

[Luce NDs]

sickness is a degeneration of the body , no its not a sin its a byproduct of the separation from the tree of Life .

cut a branch from a living tree , what happens to the branch over time ? it withers and dies , graft a branch back into a the correct tree a tree of its kind and thus the branch live again .

we are the branches, Christ is the Vine, God is LIfe

What is illness of soul:

• Mental or
• Neurological?

The spirit being beyond that energetic thought ... a dark energy that has had there desired confined?

There just has to be another side to this real virtue ... a virtuous reality ... or just alternate with Due Cos?

Clear as 50's hades ... PTSD over WWII? The market place can hardly wait for more ...

 

[airclean33]

Chapter and verse? It'll be interesting to hear animals speak, and see them bow - considering that their physical structures don't allow for such.

So Jae you say you can't find it?It could be God didn't want you to. Or you can't understand it. Any way this is were I understand GOD said .

Phl 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Phl 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure Jae , if you go to a pet shop . You may see a parrot that talk"s. Could be even a budgie . It's not that hard . My dog"s tell me if someone is coming ,or is at the door. They ask me to go out, or for food .Where have you been?Or if you want Look for the donkey or ass that spook to his master, in GODS Word to tell him there was an angel with a sword waiting to kill him. We have but to have faith in GOD Jae .All things are possible to our GOD

 

[blackbelt1961]

What is illness of soul:

• Mental or
• Neurological?

The spirit being beyond that energetic thought ... a dark energy that has had there desired confined?

There just has to be another side to this real virtue ... a virtuous reality ... or just alternate with Due Cos?

Clear as 50's hades ... PTSD over WWII? The market place can hardly wait for more ...

the Church Fathers asked the same thing

I Am or I am not

 

[Jaebius]

So Jae you say you can't find it?It could be God didn't want you to. Or you can't understand it. Any way this is were I understand GOD said .

Phl 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

Phl 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure Jae , if you go to a pet shop . You may see a parrot that talk"s. Could be even a budgie . It's not that hard . My dog"s tell me if someone is coming ,or is at the door. They ask me to go out, or for food .Where have you been?Or if you want Look for the donkey or ass that spook to his master, in GODS Word to tell him there was an angel with a sword waiting to kill him. We have but to have faith in GOD Jae .All things are possible to our GOD

airclean, not all animals have knees; not all animals have a tongue. How are they going to kneel and talk? Consider the sea urchin.

 

[Jaebius]

sickness is a degeneration of the body , no its not a sin its a byproduct of the separation from the tree of Life .

cut a branch from a living tree , what happens to the branch over time ? it withers and dies , graft a branch back into a the correct tree a tree of its kind and thus the branch live again .

we are the branches, Christ is the Vine, God is LIfe

Nice. So we're agreed then - not everything that is the result of the Fall is sinful. Like my pretty blue eyes as another example.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Nice. So we're agreed then - not everything that is the result of the Fall is sinful. Like my pretty blue eyes as another example.

well I dont know about your petty blue eyes , the could very well be sinfull

but yes we are in agreement

 

[airclean33]

airclean, not all animals have knees; not all animals have a tongue. How are they going to kneel and talk? Consider the sea urchin.

Sorry Jae I guess I forgot to embolden bow for you.I will try harder next time Jae. You read it as you like Jae. But I insure you . All living here on earth . Belong to GOD , He made them perhaps He will give them one . After all He took the snakes away.

 

[Jaebius]

Sorry Jae I guess I forgot to embolden bow for you.I will try harder next time Jae. You read it as you like Jae. But I insure you . All living here on earth . Belong to GOD , He made them perhaps He will give them one . After all He took the snakes away.

airclean, what does all this talk about animals have to do with gay kids who are suiciding?

 

[BetteTheRed]

My fault. I brought up gay animals...

 

[Waterfall]

airclean, what does all this talk about animals have to do with gay kids who are suiciding?

Maybe fish don't understand they live in water until they are taken out of it?
It's hard to understand a different lifestyle sometimes or look at things from a different perspective other than our own until we approach it from a different viewing point.

 

[Jaebius]

My fault. I brought up gay animals...

So... When the gay animals bow and speak @airclean they'll no longer be gay?
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Personally I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing the kneeling and speaking turtles, snails, lobsters, etc.

 

[airclean33]

Tongue

So... When the gay animals bow and speak @airclean they'll no longer be gay?
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Personally I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing the kneeling and speaking turtles, snails, lobsters, etc.

Jay you do not understand . An animal act"s on there base instinct . Humankind are above animal, and are not to do that.

 

[BetteTheRed]

So, the animals are gay because of humanity's sin, but it's not a sin for them..

This is very wyrd theology, and even wyrder biology.

 

[Jaebius]

Tongue

Jay you do not understand . An animal act"s on there base instinct . Humankind are above animal, and are not to do that.

airclean, is there a reason why you habitually spell a number of our names incorrectly? Anyway, I believe as you do when it comes to instinct. However, I'm decidedly less certain than you are how that fits into our current conversation.

 

[airclean33]

Sorry Jae I am doing two things today. Haste make"s waste. I will try and take it easy.

 

[RitaTG]

--Hi RitaTG --I have never been a part of Exodus International that I can remember. I also have told you I know very little about them. Or there Ministry. I have though walked with GOD these 36 years . I understand our GOD will not except sin. That is why He sent His Son. I believe if you were a drunk and came to Christ and ask to be for given . He would forgive you.If you still were to drink and die in your sin . You would not be forgiven. I know GOD Loved that drunk as much as any saint.But He will not stand for sin.You can not run around on your wife or husband . It is a sin if you keep doing it you will be a sinner. God will for give you if you ask. But this means you cannot keep going and doing it, or in GODS eyes you have sinned.If your a thief ,you cannot keep being one and come to GOD.Now GOD will forgive you many sins . Really as far as I know there is but one ,He has said He will not forgive. That being , taken The
at 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

There you go airclean ,..... you don't know nor do you care to know.....
No answer to my questions ..... no research on your part ..... just the usual stuff that is usually spooled off by the uninformed.
This is the sort of response that increased the load of condemnation upon LGBTQ youth and drives them closer to the creek bank.
You have shown you have no intention of looking at a very important thing that has been put in front of you.
The young ones are not worth your effort ..... their very real suffering is not important enough for you to look and see and perhaps help.
If this is christian love then I would sincerely ask that for their sake should you meet one of the young ones .... please keep your mouth shut. That would be a kindness

 

[RitaTG]

• Exodus International promoted "freedom from homosexuality" through "power of Jesus Christ"

I have no idea about this Group ----Never hear of such a group ------

These are just my thoughts on this -----

But I can tell you that unless you are Born again you are away from Christ and that is according to Scripture -----The only way you have any Spiritual power at all is by and through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior who indwells us with the Holy Spirit ----So if the leaders and its people of this Exodus International were not Born Again there would be no Spiritual Power from Christ ----The New Covenant of Grace gives us the power we need but you have to accept God's Son to be apart of it --------

And for me and what I personally believe about why I am a Gay individual does not fit your reasoning ------you believe it is a gift from God --I do not ---I believe it comes the generational curse so we are far apart on our views on this --------what I believe works for me ----I am no longer under any curse because I am under Grace ----I am a happy ---healthy --peaceful ---blessed ----joyful ----prosperous ----heaven bound --person who has a wonderful partner who is also under Grace and we share a great life -----

Jesus loves and accepts all people no matter who they are -----No LGBTQ person is unloved or rejected by Jesus Christ ---and if you believe that Christ would and is rejecting the LGBTQ ----then you are in a sad place as far as I am concerned -----

unsafe ...... PLEASE look into the organization history of Exodus International.
All of them "born again" .... very evangelical and fundamentalist in belief..........
This was a very motivated group ... both the staff and those seeking help....
This is the cream of the crop as far as committed earnest christians go.
PLEASE ... I do hope the young ones are worth the effort .... look into that organization's history .... please
Then perhaps you can discuss the questions I posed with me in a more considered way.
Oh ... by the way .... I never ever implied that God does not love LGBTQ persons nor did I ever say God rejects them.
Again ... what I am saying is that is the very message of condemnation that the young ones get from the church.

 

[Jaebius]

unsafe ...... PLEASE look into the organization history of Exodus International.
All of them "born again" .... very evangelical and fundamentalist in belief..........

Yes @unsafe - Exodus International was a very conservative evangelical group (not sure if I'd use the word fundamentalist RitaTG). Their message ran along the lines of (paraphrasing), 'Being gay is sinful. Come, accept Jesus who has the power to take away all your sins.'

This was a very motivated group ... both the staff and those seeking help....
This is the cream of the crop as far as committed earnest christians go.

Yep.

 

[RitaTG]

Sorry Rita - usually I agree with you but I have to take exception here.
While person A might have a lot of influence on person B's decision to end his life, only person B makes that final decision.
Many years ago my (then) teenage daughter broke up with the college freshman she had dated for a few months. A few nights later he showed up at our door just after we went to bed - crying, telling her that he couldn't live without her, and that he had taken pills from his mother's medicine cabinet. I quickly drove him to the nearest hospital, my daughter holding him as he sobbed and moaned. As we sat in the waiting room I remember telling my daughter "This was NOT your fault. He made this decision on his own. It is NOT your fault." Fortunately the pills, in the quantities he took were not nearly enough to be fatal. He was kept in the hospital over night and released. But while we sat together in the waiting room, I remember a hospital worker coming out to talk to my daughter. She asked a few questions and then told my daughter the same thing. "This was not your fault."

Yes, we do hear of bullying and situations where a person is driven to suicide, but generally it is not the fault of any one person. The final decision rests with the person taking the final step.

Thank you for your post Seeler .....
If I may try and clarify a bit please....
When a person lives under mental abuse or in this case spiritual abuse their depression grows to the point of desperation.
This is the walk to the creek bank ..... they are being pushed there....
Whether or not the pushing is direct or intentional is not the point.
The point is is that the pushing is occurring.
There is a responsibility that the pushers must bear for their contribution and they need to take ownership of their part.
If a person or church is participating in the pushing then they also own part of the fault.
For the young ones I feel that they own quite a bit of the fault.
What I am trying to show with this thread is that the pushing takes place within the church and with this awareness there is opportunity to do something about it.