An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

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Pr. Jae said:
What I'm hearing...

@airclean33 - 'Shut up, and let the gay kids come to Jesus.'

@RitaTG - 'Shut up, and let the gay kids love who Jesus has made them to be.'

Is there any middle ground between these positions?

Should there be?

If there is, what is it?
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There should be no middle ground.
That is what this thread is trying to point out
 
unsafe said:
RitaTG ------Here is a question for you ?------when we are born ----are we not born with a sin nature ?------are all LGBTQ people different than all others born -----you say being an LGBTQ person is a blessing -----well you can only be Blessed if your Born Again and are a child of God as per scripture ---- to do this --you have to accept Christ as per scripture -----so is what your saying is that all LGBTQ people are born from the womb saved and Blessed while all the rest of us are born in sin and with a sin nature which was passed down from the fall of man under the curse ------- so what do you do with this Psalms 51-------verse2 and 5 2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,And cleanse me from my sin. 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,And in sin my mother conceived me.


Psalm 51New King James Version (NKJV)

A Prayer of Repentance----- https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 51&version=NKJV
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Let me try and sort out your confusion unsafe....
Being LGBTQ and being "born again" are not related at all.
Put the words :"red hair" or "left handed" or "brown eyes" into your post instead of LGBTQ and see how ridiculous your post reads. The phrases I have suggested have as much to do with the topic as LGBTQ does.
In the future ..... please read more carefully and consider before you post.
Thank you
 
Pr. Jae said:
airclean, here you seem to be suggesting (among other things) that @RitaTG is gay. I'm not sure that's the case (nor is it either of our business unless she chooses to disclose).
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I am transgender .... that would seem quite sufficient for this discussion. I represent the "T" in LGBTQ.
We are in the very same boat as the gay kids...
 
RitaTG

My question is very simple --no confusion noted ------Are all humans born as babies from their Mother's womb in sin with a sin nature that is the result of the fall of man and comes under the curse -----or are just some humans born in sin with the sin nature and certain people like the LGBTQ group born as babies from their Mother's womb righteous and are free from the Sin nature that others are born into because of the fall of man -

Please answer my question ------I do not think my post is ridiculous -----we are all born as babies are we not -------we are either born in sin with a sin nature under the curse or we are not -------Which is it -------this is what God's word says about how we are born ------

Psalms 51-------verse2 and 5 2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,And cleanse me from my sin. 5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,And in sin my mother conceived me.


Psalm 51New King James Version (NKJV)

A Prayer of Repentance----- https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 51&version=NKJV


I am using your quote to me here ------please read more carefully and consider before you post.
Thank you
 
Babies are not born in sin unless making something from nothing is a sin ...

Is not a birth a miracle? Perhaps why those that follow stupid laws to the "T" get crossed off the miracle of being apocalyptic ... or part of the great awakening as an unsafe area ... at lest to those that would sooner not know greater things ... an expansive mote ... could douse oppressed emotions as stuck on a verge.

Verge; a grand word to reconsider and research ... do etude up on the void it presumes on yah! With a void one has a place to put metaphysical trash ... like unwanted thoughts?

Peculiar ... if not odd or even gae ... like that mad light in Galilee .. actually all over the place according to Ruth er Ford a type of crossing in mist Eire I-Us vessel ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Babies are not born in sin unless making something from nothing is a sin ...
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Babies are, as a matter of fact something from something and not something from nothing. Babies do not appear ex nihilo. If one begins with the assumption that humanity experienced a fall then all of humanity is fallen. Fallen parents reproduce after their own kind and that leads to fallen babies.

That is a logical and sensible progression. What is not logical and sensible is to insist that fallen creatures still have a free will and that the fall in no way constrained that aspect of humanity. But that discussion is for another day.

LuceNDs said:
Is not a birth a miracle?
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Birth is too common an activity to fit under the umbrella term of "miracle" which by definition speaks to an event that is uncommon. Individuals, due to their unique composition might in and of themselves fit under the description of "miracle" simply because at their deepest and most foundational level they will never be repeated. The sheer prevalence of unique individuals renders individuals something less that miraculous.
 
RitaTG said:
There should be no middle ground.
That is what this thread is trying to point out
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Respectfully I don't see these two propositions as opposites so there is no middle ground possible.

I also don't see these two propositions as inherently contradictory. It would be possible if we all shut up that kids might come to Jesus and those same kids would live into the calling that Jesus extends to them.

Regrettably the chief difficulty appears to be the everyone shutting up part.

I suspect the reason why everyone shutting up is the biggest problem is because people, in general, don't like silence.

Randy Stonehill said:
Its the fear of silence that gives us away. Cause when we're alone we have to hear what our aching hearts trying to say.
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And worse than listening to what our hearts might be saying to us about the help that we each might need in any given moment is our fear of what somebody else's heart might be saying to them.

Can you imagine the fear that must grip a soul that is bound and determined to ignore their own heart in the midst of other people listening to theirs.

It is isolating and people, even we introverts, need community. So much so that we will do violence to our neighbours on whatever level necessary to get them to stay close.
 
revjohn said:
Babies are, as a matter of fact something from something and not something from nothing. Babies do not appear ex nihilo. If one begins with the assumption that humanity experienced a fall then all of humanity is fallen. Fallen parents reproduce after their own kind and that leads to fallen babies.

That is a logical and sensible progression. What is not logical and sensible is to insist that fallen creatures still have a free will and that the fall in no way constrained that aspect of humanity. But that discussion is for another day.



Birth is too common an activity to fit under the umbrella term of "miracle" which by definition speaks to an event that is uncommon. Individuals, due to their unique composition might in and of themselves fit under the description of "miracle" simply because at their deepest and most foundational level they will never be repeated. The sheer prevalence of unique individuals renders individuals something less that miraculous.
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Perhaps an overabundance of individualism leads to Dilution Theory (psychology, a denied subject of interest, regarding things that some people can't see) a mental hypothesis that doesn't work among those dedicated to knowing less and less about everything ... a paradox of God? Perhaps Sam'uns puzzle ... and thus the medium of chaos ...
 
Luce NDs said:
I cannot speak of such ridiculous subjects without sublime levity!
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Of then knock your elf out Luce. Levity is the pics of life. Only, pr, don't peak about your levity too much my friend. The Power that be here in a period oft. He didn't take much leviting around unleashed your one of her colleague.
 
What's eL oft will descend under the physical acceptance of what goes up comes down unless of some Levite issue ... a mere essence?

Is that a burning deviate ... and back to Jack Nicholson and Anger Management ... as filmy or filmed in cinema!

I have to go and bury a lady's remains ... soul and spirit location are generally unknown ... as normal ...
 
True Jae,

Few like levity about mean lives that are less frugal than they should be ... given world wide deficiencies due to severe points of avarice ... Like gross Mudder in the Wahl Duns family ... a critique not to be spoken about by common folk ... pagans?
 
Hi RitaTG

No answer tells me you agree that we are all born in sin with a sin nature -----and this is what is so important for the young ones to know ---by telling the young ones of the LGBTQ community they are Blessed by God from birth to be the way they are is deceptive and lying in my view ----Only The Truth will set you free ----and the truth is Jesus is their only way to be set free ----all people are shaped in Iniquity and born sinners no one is exempt ---This is if you believe in a Christ---ian God -----other Religions I can't speak for ------Learning how to deal with the Iniquity and sin nature is important to be confident in who we are as people -----again my view ------

Peace and Blessing to you
 
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