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Waterfall said:
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God and I enjoy a good wrestling match every now and then. I used to believe as you do until He won the argument.
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Waterfall I'm not sure what "God" is speaking to you but your "God" does not agree with the God of the Bible.

I ask you again: do you believe in sin at all? Or even sexual sin?
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
I do not believe that you are a hypocrite and I certainly would not post that if the thought crossed my mind. Again, I am not judging that homosexuality is a sin....the Bible clearly and repeatedly teaches that sexual acts between persons who are not married to one another or are of the same sex is sinful.

I sincerely believe, as I have stated several times here, that my duty is not to condemn but to love.

Question for you Waterfall: do you believe that there is a such thing as sin or a sinful sexual act? For example, do you believe that the Bible teaches that fornication is sinful?
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The Bible clearly teaches that some sexual acts are sinful. Other sexual acts it neither states are sinful or sinless. It says nothing directly about modern homosexual relationships.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
I would hope that we could emphasize in this thread and in the community of Faith is that regardless of our personal opinions, we can and should treat others with dignity, love and compassion regardless of their sexuality. I feel this is especially true of the youth that are in such great need of love.
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Does the chalice of love that one offers with one hand hold value if one is throwing darts of dehumanization with the other?
 
I would agree that, despite my conversation on another thread, the Bible seems to hold prostitution in low regard and takes a particularly dim view of adultery, as well.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
Waterfall I'm not sure what "God" is speaking to you but your "God" does not agree with the God of the Bible.

I ask you again: do you believe in sin at all? Or even sexual sin?
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I'm pretty sure it was the same God that the apostle Paul met.
I believe that nobody is perfect and that there are things to be corrected in this world and that is a sin.
 
Waterfall said:
I'm pretty sure it was the same God that the apostle Paul met.
I believe that nobody is perfect and that there are things to be corrected in this world and that is a sin.
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Waterfall said:
I'm pretty sure it was the same God that the apostle Paul met.
I believe that nobody is perfect and that there are things to be corrected in this world and that is a sin.
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The God that Paul met said that drunkards and fornicators would not have eternal life. Do you believe the same?
 
Pr. Jae said:
The concept of homosexuality as we now normatively think of it did not exist until sometime after the biblical canon was closed. That being the case, how could the human authors of the Bible include a direct command against it? airclean, you ask if I can quote where God says that homosexuality as we know it today is OK. I cannot, and I don't believe anyone else can either. If that's the case, what are we to say - we are left without both a direct command that it's sinful, and a word from God that it's OK. Homosexuals have been a people group that has long been oppressed by shaming, and sometimes worse because of who they choose to love. How shall you and I treat them? What would Jesus do.
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Jae I wonder some times if you"v really read GODS Word. You have heard of Sodom and Gomorrah. Two city's we know GOD destroyed because of what they were doing. Don"t let them kid you Jae men having sex with men was one of the greatest sins they were doing there. There were others like beastly among others. But the one The Bible shows is were the men of the city . Came to Lots house wanting the men . So That They May know them. Have sex with them. They were doing many other things but this is the one GOD shows us. GOD did not just destroy them He wipe them off the face of the earth (.Jesus The Christ was," an is GOD . Do you not understand that?
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
The same message is for everyone. God so loved you that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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Your messages on here speak of the sin of same sex acts. Do you share those same kind of messages with the people who actually engage in said acts?
 
Waterfall said:
I believe that "the world" can corrupt God's word with the wrong translation through ignorance.
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-Really Waterfall you see I follow a living GOD . So tell me who there is that can corrupt GODS living Holy Spirit?[/QUOTE]

Nice switcheroo there.....Basically the Bible can be misunderstood, by humans, including you or me if we read it through our own bias'

[/QUOTE]-Waterfall -- This is why I said GODS Spirit is Truth He has given us it to learn not by the mind of man. But by His mind and His way.
 
airclean33 said:
Jae I wonder some times if you"v really read GODS Word. You have heard of Sodom and Gomorrah. Two city's we know GOD destroyed because of what they were doing. Don"t let them kid you Jae men having sex with men was one of the greatest sins they were doing there. There were others like beastly among others. But the one The Bible shows is were the men of the city . Came to Lots house wanting the men . So That They May know them. Have sex with them. They were doing many other things but this is the one GOD shows us. GOD did not just destroy them He wipe them off the face of the earth (.Jesus The Christ was," an is GOD . Do you not understand that?
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And of course the answer is I've read it cover to cover, preached from it, and studied it at the Christian university and now seminary level. Yes airclean, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. The question is - what was the activity of the men that brought about condemnation. Some say lust. Some say inhospitality. Some say the desire to gang rape. Whatever it was, it logically could not have been homosexuality as we normatively think of it today.
 
[/QUOTE]-Waterfall -- This is why I said GODS Spirit is Truth He has given us it to learn not by the mind of man. But by His mind and His way.[/QUOTE]



What is truth airclean?

God's "mind" can't possibly be as limited as a humans can it?
Galatians 3:28
"there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus"
 
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airclean33 said:
-Really Waterfall you see I follow a living GOD . So tell me who there is that can corrupt GODS living Holy Spirit?
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Nice switcheroo there.....Basically the Bible can be misunderstood, by humans, including you or me if we read it through our own bias'

[/QUOTE]-Waterfall -- This is why I said GODS Spirit is Truth He has given us it to learn not by the mind of man. But by His mind and His way.[/QUOTE]
And the Spirit is perfect. If only we were all the same. Now airclean I would like to ask you an important question. The Spirit, what say you - a force, or a person?
 
Pr. Jae said:
The Bible clearly teaches that some sexual acts are sinful. Other sexual acts it neither states are sinful or sinless. It says nothing directly about modern homosexual relationships
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--Jae this is the second time I seen you post this . I don"t understand your meaning though could you explain?
 
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