An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

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The ancient word ho_moe was once thought to mean common ... like how people are commonly in the streets and woman shouldn't be out there alone ... sort of like cream of the crop in a time before hommoe genie IZ'd milque!

If people can sway the pot another way ... it gets cheesy for people would rather fight than anything else ...
 
airclean33 said:
--airclean-- Do you feel the Word of GOD is wrong here? Or just there is a part you should not read?I do not always understand what GOD is saying, in His word . But am not above asking God to show me. Or even another Christian who could help.
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I believe that "the world" can corrupt God's word with the wrong translation through ignorance.

[/QUOTE]-Really Waterfall you see I follow a living GOD . So tell me who there is that can corrupt GODS living Holy Spirit?[/QUOTE]

Nice switcheroo there.....Basically the Bible can be misunderstood, by humans, including you or me if we read it through our own bias'.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
A scholar is not the same as someone who can read and write the original languages. When I say "scholar" that is my meaning. There is not one Greek or Hebrew scholar who would dispute that the Hebrew and Greek scriptures condemns same sex activity. Even Vines admits that but still asserts his own belief that God permits loving, monogamous same sex relationships today.
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Interesting that many of the churches are recanting on what they once said about homosexuality, and it's not just the liberal churches. Seems many "scholars" have found out they were teaching God's word in a way that wasn't intended.
 
Would a mere human corrupt things for rational unknown? Could this develop into wool over the eyes for those who would rather blind faith in what they were told was in the bible?
 
BetteTheRed said:
There are many other prominent and peer reviewed Christian scholars who would disagree with your opinions above. Not only is translation a very inexact science (why else would there be 52 English translations available on Biblegateway?), but there have been many, many attempts to figure out how to take a 1st century Palestine's religious view of the world and make it applicable as a world-wide religion.

Now, to the point at hand. Which specific sexual act is the problem, in your view? What does you worldview make of Intersex and Transgendered people?
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My worldview poor my opinion of which sexual acts are the problem is not the issue. God's view as revealed in the Bible is the only view of any importance to me.

I am not called as a follower of Christ to condemn or judge anyone. My obligation is to love my neighbor as myself. My personal view of the sexual activity of others or the nature of their gender identity is irrelevant. I do stand on Faith in God's Word and His plan for mankind.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
It is clear that God has revealed His will concerning marriage and sexuality. However, I personally and as a follower of Jesus Christ am not here to condemn or judge anyone. Christ has compelled me to love my neighbor as myself Galatians 5:14.
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Seems a tad hypocritical to me. You say you're not here to judge but you are judging homosexuality as a sin even though Jesus Christ Himself doesn't say that at all. In fact He says what comes out of our mouth tells Him more about what is in a man's heart and that is what is important to Him.
 
But then the argument ensues over who is reading it through human bias and who isn't...everyone is, through their own, or through the eyes of their minister or favourite theologian. But how you use it - discerning the Spirit - is a matter of conscience. And even just about every bible story, in the allegory - is a story of how humans used our conscience or not, and the consequences, for good or ill to humanity.
 
Cultures change, churches change but God is unchanging. "If a man lies with another man as he does with a woman it is an abomination."

I have never seen a word for word translation that differed from that thought. If anyone can present one from a Hebrew scholar I would be very interested. Regardless, we have a right to disagree with the Biblical view but that is the Biblical view.
 
Waterfall said:
Seems a tad hypocritical to me. You say you're not here to judge but you are judging homosexuality as a sin even though Jesus Christ Himself doesn't say that at all. In fact He says what comes out of our mouth tells Him more about what is in a man's heart and that is what is important to Him.
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I do not believe that you are a hypocrite and I certainly would not post that if the thought crossed my mind. Again, I am not judging that homosexuality is a sin....the Bible clearly and repeatedly teaches that sexual acts between persons who are not married to one another or are of the same sex is sinful.

I sincerely believe, as I have stated several times here, that my duty is not to condemn but to love.

Question for you Waterfall: do you believe that there is a such thing as sin or a sinful sexual act? For example, do you believe that the Bible teaches that fornication is sinful?
 
Here is something I ran across well studying.

Related article: What Does the Bible Say About Capital Punishment and the Death Penalty?

It must be emphasized that, according to the New Testament, we are no longer under the harsh Old Testament Law (John 1:16-17, Romans 8:1-3, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21). The concern with punishment is now secondary to Jesus' message of repentance and redemption. Both reward and punishment are seen as properly taking place in eternity, rather than in this life.

Airclean--Looks a sounds good pretty. Except it"s a lie. You see when you check out the vers you will see it only speaks to those who are saved through Christ Jesus not the world.Please also understand we who are save should not knowingly break GODS commandments and Laws. Nor are we to teach others to do that.Please also don't post saying I say we should kill gays. That is not what I'm posting.In fact I believe the last line is true at least in part . For a saved Spirit fill person is save today . They do not come into Judgement The Holy Spirit is not just there to help me learn . It is GODS word that my name is in the book of Life.
 
There are many things that Jesus did not reference in the Gospel record. He made no mention of pedophilia for example, but that in no way means that He was emissive of pedophilia. He did however reference sin and sexual immorality several times. He also affirmed the Law of Moses which repeatedly and explicitly forbids same sex activity. He also affirmed that many would reject God's truth and be damned.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
I do not believe that you are a hypocrite and I certainly would not post that if the thought crossed my mind. Again, I am not judging that homosexuality is a sin....the Bible clearly and repeatedly teaches that sexual acts between persons who are not married to one another or are of the same sex is sinful.
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Leviticus 21:20 clearly states that we cannot approach the alter if we have a defect in our sight...I wear glasses sometime, am I excluded?
Exodus 35:2 says we shouldn't work on a Sunday or we are to be put to death....I have worked on a Sunday, should I be put to death?
Leviticus 25:44 clearly states we can own slaves as long as they are from neighbouring countries....does that mean I can go to the US and buy some?

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html
 
I think we have to take into account the context of it...not set in stone without thinking about it...like who were the particular men they were talking about, or to, in context. Otherwise...similarly, you should not be eating shellfish or pork, or heaven forbid, wearing a blend of cotton and polyester, either if you don't think we can be discerning words in context of our time. I think sex apart from a loving context was generally what was named as a sexual sin, in the bible...because it is more likely to harm the overall Commandment to love one another, which is timeless. Basically, anything we do apart from love is sinful, is what Jesus said...why? Because otherwise we hurt each other. It's just about using our conscience. And I don't think we can abide by "love one another" but then say, if you're going to have sex it's okay to separate it from love...whether it is heterosexual or homosexual, and I think that's where the sin comes into it. People are born gay, they are created that way, their having sex within the context of a loving relationship is not sinful. And straight or gay people having sex for sex's sake, or powers' sake, or money's sake, is sinful. We shouldn't judge, because we all sin, but we should try to be loving in everything we do.
 
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Waterfall said:
Leviticus 21:20 clearly states that we cannot approach the alter if we have a defect in our sight...I wear glasses sometime, am I excluded?
Exodus 35:2 says we shouldn't work on a Sunday or we are to be put to death....I have worked on a Sunday, should I be put to death?
Leviticus 25:44 clearly states we can own slaves as long as they are from neighbouring countries....does that mean I can go to the US and buy some?

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html
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If you sincerely desire a knowledge of the Bible I suggest you thoughtfully read the Bible. Going to websites whose sole agenda is to denegrate God's Word and bash Christianity is not a good place to start. If your view is that there is no God or that the Bible is just a collection of man made writings then I appreciate your opinion. However, if you accept the Bible as God's revelation of His will for mankind then you must understand God's view of sexual immorality and marriage.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
If you sincerely desire a knowledge of the Bible I suggest you thoughtfully read the Bible. Going to websites whose sole agenda is to denegrate God's Word and bash Christianity is not a good place to start. If your view is that there is no God or that the Bible is just a collection of man made writings then I appreciate your opinion. However, if you accept the Bible as God's revelation of His will for mankind then you must understand God's view of sexual immorality and marriage.
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I go to websites to save time.
God and I enjoy a good wrestling match every now and then. I used to believe as you do until He won the argument.
 
LoveGodLoveMan said:
Cultures change, churches change but God is unchanging. "If a man lies with another man as he does with a woman it is an abomination."

I have never seen a word for word translation that differed from that thought. If anyone can present one from a Hebrew scholar I would be very interested. Regardless, we have a right to disagree with the Biblical view but that is the Biblical view.
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I was at one point a very active member of Beliefnet. Watched with some bemusement as two Jewish people argued that what was being condemned here was the power imbalance. That to treat a man, a full citizen and a completely independent person, in the same way that one treated a woman - who was essentially chattel in the same manner as cattle and children - was the ultimate insult to that man.

Eating lobster is t'oevah (abomination) as well. How seriously do Christians take that mitzvah?

And you'll find a real scarcity of people on this site who believe that the Bible is the dictated words of God.
 
I would hope that we could emphasize in this thread and in the community of Faith is that regardless of our personal opinions, we can and should treat others with dignity, love and compassion regardless of their sexuality. I feel this is especially true of the youth that are in such great need of love.
 
And if you were a youth who was being told that they could never enjoy the benefits of marriage and commitment, how loved would you feel?
 
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