Many people who think it's a sin would say it is one because it's outside of God's created order.
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Many people who think it's a sin would say it is one because it's outside of God's created order.
chansen
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Why can't people let God say that? Why are the loudest mouthpieces for God so often the biggest jerks God could find? Is that a coincidence? Does God assemble a hit squad from the lowest depths of society, like the Mafia does, or are bigoted idiots just bigoted idiots?
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thus the importance of not making laws that will make any thoughts or feelings or ideas illegal (like homosexuality being considered a sin or not believing in a particular g_d), giving people the freedom & opportunity to live the lives, make money, etc as they want to -- then, of course, there comes the problem of government-supported programs conflicting with people's beliefs...cf. planned parenthood
and so it goes
Same.
In many places in the past my yobo and I would be treated horribly for daring to be in a bi-cultural marriage. As if our love for one another is anyone's business but our own.
chansen said:
Okay. Yet what are GBLTQ people to do who find that they just so happen to have Christian beliefs?
In my experience chansen, the latter.
blackbelt1961
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hmmm, you assuming that to me personally or the church ?
whos refusing to marry same sex,? not me , they have full right in my opinion to marry if they wish too , there are also christian churches that will marry them.
the issue will never be resolved so both sides need to surrender
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Personally, based on what I've seen so far of Christians, who are varied enough, I think, to be called different religions in their own sense (eg. some Christians believe the bibble is literature and has been used by the Church for power & control & money, some Christians believe that Christ was just a man, some Christians believe that killing other people is ok if g_d tells them to, etc etc etc), that a GLBTQRSTLNEMP3withasideofmayo people who just happen to have Christian beliefs have to do the hard thing and come to realize that they, like all other Christians, are different from other Christians?
They are all automatically part of the same tribe, Humanity
But aren't all automatically part of the same tribe, Christianity
And these people, well, anyone who tries to acknowledge anything similar to this will have a tough time at it because society (social norms, etc) will always be trying to get them to conform, to be a part of us, join us...
No wonder people like Elon Musk have created their own school for their kids :3
blackbelt1961
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surrender, let it go, give it to God, stop pushing the issue, what ever term one wants to give it, pushing the issue im theologically right and your wrong says more about one trusting in self than trusting God, a mature christian who Knows the Spirit Trusts the Spirit and
Romans 14
a tremendously mature response to difference of opinion
Inanna, @chansen suggested that LGBTQ people should get out of the churches. When I posted my question, I was thinking of Hebrews 10:24-25, "And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near" (ESV). How can LGBTQ people get out of the churches if they honestly believe they are called to keep gathering with other Christians?
RitaTG
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A very good start
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that's a good point
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And that would be an extraordinarily inaccurate statement, as it's a very common feature in other animal populations. Unless one is attempting o argue that Adam's sin caused same sex attraction in penguins. Which is silly.
I've often wondered why LGBTQ people remain Christians. Strikes me as tremendously forgiving of them; similarly with aboriginal people, actually.
blackbelt1961
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why dont you ask Rita that question ?
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I've asked several of my friends. They tell me that the God-urge is stronger than their pain and that Christianity is culturally familiar to them.
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It doesn't matter if its inaccurate according to your BS** (and witness all the sorts of mental gymnastics* -- PIKE!-- people have to go through to come to terms with 'loving g_d' & dying kittens in concrete)
I asked a question which was asking what different people thought was the purpose of homosexuality being a sin
Pr Jae came up with a possible answer (which is a start -- i really don't know what possibilites can come under 'outside of g_d's order' -- like you wrote above, that statement contradicts actual world events...)
* similar to the mental gymnastics some people go through while believing in naturalism & they try to explain consciousness...
**in fact, i guess it can be said that sombunall of our beliefs consist of trying to 'tie together into a cohesive whole' the outliers, the bits that don't fit our beliefs, trying to take that square peg and make it fit into the round hole?
blackbelt1961
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sounds familiar, knowing Rita's , who is Spirit filled, would be Good if she share her testimony with you
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Hi airclean33 your quote ---- GOD how ever will not except the world in sin.---You are right there ---no person with sin can get into heaven ---Heaven is a Holy place -----
Jesus died to free us from sin -----so your quote ----How do you get around that? ----We have to accept Jesus ---be Born Again and we become Holy and are heaven bound by Grace through Faith --all sins are forgiven for the rest of our life ------Born Again people are never judged on their sins after we die -----
Jesus never questioned or judged the woman caught in adultery -----he said to her go and sin no more ------he did not judge her as Jesus is aware of all our weaknesses and her sin nature -----He didn't say---- if you don't follow me and stop sleep with men you will go to a place called Hell ---
Jesus showed unconditional Love to this woman ------Ministers should be preaching Grace to all -----and be Christ like as should all Born Again people ----it is not our place to judge ---We are to accept all people and love them unconditionally -----If they are aware of God's Grace and what this Grace provides and they are informed as to what God says if they reject His Son then it is up to them to accept God's gift or reject it ------being gay has nothing to do with Preaching and making all people aware of God's Word ---- People who are gay --straight ---transgender ----murders ----etc ----are first God's creation and our fellow human being --- and if God wants His Child by adoption to speak to one of these people the Holy Spirit will direct us and there will be success in our effort ----God's wants all people in Heaven unfortunately all people don't want to go to Heaven -----
I believe ignorance in Preaching is a big Problem -----Ministers are allowed to preach without the Holy Spirit and for me this is a big Problem ------and most people have cobwebs on their Bibles ----to busy for God time but big on condemning Him and His Word ---
God Bless Brother
Jesus died to free us from sin -----so your quote ----How do you get around that? ----We have to accept Jesus ---be Born Again and we become Holy and are heaven bound by Grace through Faith --all sins are forgiven for the rest of our life ------Born Again people are never judged on their sins after we die -----
Jesus never questioned or judged the woman caught in adultery -----he said to her go and sin no more ------he did not judge her as Jesus is aware of all our weaknesses and her sin nature -----He didn't say---- if you don't follow me and stop sleep with men you will go to a place called Hell ---
Jesus showed unconditional Love to this woman ------Ministers should be preaching Grace to all -----and be Christ like as should all Born Again people ----it is not our place to judge ---We are to accept all people and love them unconditionally -----If they are aware of God's Grace and what this Grace provides and they are informed as to what God says if they reject His Son then it is up to them to accept God's gift or reject it ------being gay has nothing to do with Preaching and making all people aware of God's Word ---- People who are gay --straight ---transgender ----murders ----etc ----are first God's creation and our fellow human being --- and if God wants His Child by adoption to speak to one of these people the Holy Spirit will direct us and there will be success in our effort ----God's wants all people in Heaven unfortunately all people don't want to go to Heaven -----
I believe ignorance in Preaching is a big Problem -----Ministers are allowed to preach without the Holy Spirit and for me this is a big Problem ------and most people have cobwebs on their Bibles ----to busy for God time but big on condemning Him and His Word ---
God Bless Brother
BetteTheRed
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This is part of the problem. To just lump orientation, gender identification and possibly the gravest sin one can practically accomplish - the taking of another human's life - all together, as if "murder" was a common problem for most humans...