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GordW said:
My understanding is that chartering a bus is a great option for many. Co-ordinating rides through the church structure may become an insurance nightmare. It is one thing for Bill to offer a ride to his friend but for the church to co-ordinate it may make the insurance company think it is no longer a ride between friends but something more formal. True it only is a problem if there is an accident but is still something that needs to be checked on first.
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I would think it only becomes an issue if the driver gets paid. If it is , “ take your neighbour to church, camp, bible study” it shouldn’t be.
 
GordW said:
My understanding is that chartering a bus is a great option for many.
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Not sure about other areas, but around here the school bus companies seem more than happy to charter their buses outside their contracted school hours. I used to know a woman who drove for one of them (a member of the UU fellowship) and after she finished her school runs, she was transporting patients to a dialysis clinic among others.
 
Mendalla said:
Yes. Just yes. Financial is actually relatively easy. It's communications that often breaks down in any kind of change management process.
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Having worked in the health care industry throughout significant changes, I can say it is most unhelpful to dismiss concerns by saying folks are just resisting change.
 
paradox3 said:
Having worked in the health care industry throughout significant changes, I can say the least helpful thing you can do is dismiss concerns by saying people are just being resistant to change.
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Dear God, that's one of the worst. Especially if you're in communications.:rolleyes:

To be fair, it may be true in some cases (I have met them), but usually most have other issues that can be overcome with good communications and a sound plan.
 
It will likely be a significant loss for some of @Carolla's fellow congregants who lose their local church & the ability to walk to it.
 
Mendalla said:
Dear God, that's one of the worst. Especially if you're in communications.:rolleyes:
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The grief that can arise from organizational change is often underestimated. Do churches do a better job, I wonder, of dealing with grief as congregations disband and amalgamate?
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
I would think it only becomes an issue if the driver gets paid. If it is , “ take your neighbour to church, camp, bible study” it shouldn’t be.
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What we think it should/shouldn't be and what the insurance industry thinks is likely a big difference. As I understood it, the line we were told when our Pastoral Care committee looked at it was that if the church is organizing the rides then it becomes a ministry of the church and the church has to insure it, that personal insurance may not cover any injury.

It does make me wonder how those agencies that facilitate rides to cancer treatment (for example) handle it.
 
GordW said:
What we think it should/shouldn't be and what the insurance industry thinks is likely a big difference. As I understood it, the line we were told when our Pastoral Care committee looked at it was that if the church is organizing the rides then it becomes a ministry of the church and the church has to insure it, that personal insurance may not cover any injury.

It does make me wonder how those agencies that facilitate rides to cancer treatment (for example) handle it.
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Maybe it can be made a matter of the people by putting up a cork board for communication and the people who need rides just organize themselves.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Maybe it can be made a matter of the people by putting up a cork board for communication and the people who need rides just organize themselves.
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That's how university dorms used to do it in pre-social media times. I imagine most of it happens via FB and such like nowadays, which would be an option as well. Just a closed FB group for people to post their need. As long as the church isn't actively managing things (matching rides to riders through the church office) they are likely off the hook insurance-wise.
 
Actually, our pastoral team actively manages this. We have a roster of people who are willing to provide rides, and one of people who need rides. Our pastoral team chair keeps it working.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Actually, our pastoral team actively manages this. We have a roster of people who are willing to provide rides, and one of people who need rides. Our pastoral team chair keeps it working.
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Have you ever looked into if this creates an insurance problem?
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Have you ever looked into if this creates an insurance problem?
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We occasionally ask our insurer about a number of things. Don't know that this has ever been a specific question. Funny thing is, a lot of pick ups and deliveries are done between our church and the nursing home on the opposite corner, lol.
 
I wouldn't be surprised by the insurance problems. When I was too young to drive the schools used to require police checks and driver abstracts for carpooling for after school sports. I would say that's equally informal, although with the involvement of more minors.
In general I think over time insurance has become more sticky, not less.
 
ChemGal said:
In general I think over time insurance has become more sticky, not less.
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Agreed. In my more socialist moments, I think that "basic insurance" for mandatory things such as home ownership and cars, perhaps, should be a public utility, with no profit motive. I'd also be happy to see a "not for profit" extra health insurance system, for dental, pharma, some alternate therapies.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Agreed. In my more socialist moments, I think that "basic insurance" for mandatory things such as home ownership and cars, perhaps, should be a public utility, with no profit motive. I'd also be happy to see a "not for profit" extra health insurance system, for dental, pharma, some alternate therapies.
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that and corrective eye glasses and hearing aids.
 
BetteTheRed said:
And mobility aids, wheelchairs, etc.
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Those, some of them at least, are covered under Assistive Devices Program in Ontario anyhow. Not sure how they work because my employer only does respiratory, just know ADP has a category for them.
 
Mendalla said:
Those, some of them at least, are covered under Assistive Devices Program in Ontario anyhow. Not sure how they work because my employer only does respiratory, just know ADP has a category for them.
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Yes, this is another part of this conversation - that of quite different services, and rules, between provinces.
 
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