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Here's my fav ALS Bucket ChallengeTMRSTLNE yet
(he tries to give a little education as well--interesting that his heart rate doesn't go skyrocket)

(oh, and whilst we were in Ladysmith, we saw the Coombs United Church sign...its a hoot

"NO PARKING! TRESPASSERS WILL BE BAPTISED")
 
My take is that overall it is a small amount of water-unless we are doing everything we can to conserve water we are hypocrites for criticizing this.
Are your toilets low flush, or better yet compost?
How long is your shower or deep is your bath?
Do you water your lawn?
How efficient is your washing machine?
At least one poster has a swimming pool in the house he lives in.

It reminds me a bit of Judas criticizing Mary for using costly perfume to wash Jesus's feet.

ALS has a devastating impact on those it strikes-and their families. Unlike some other conditions little is known about prevention, and there is no effective treatment.

I'm glad this fund raising initiative-and awareness has caught on.

Don't you wish we had something catchy like this to raise church funds.
 
and have you ever consider how much water Baptists waste in their Baptismal fonts? It's much more respecting of the enviroment to Baptize by sprinkling!
 
Tabitha said:
My take is that overall it is a small amount of water-unless we are doing everything we can to conserve water we are hypocrites for criticizing this.
Are your toilets low flush, or better yet compost?
How long is your shower or deep is your bath?
Do you water your lawn?
How efficient is your washing machine?
At least one poster has a swimming pool in the house he lives in.

It reminds me a bit of Judas criticizing Mary for using costly perfume to wash Jesus's feet.

ALS has a devastating impact on those it strikes-and their families. Unlike some other conditions little is known about prevention, and there is no effective treatment.

I'm glad this fund raising initiative-and awareness has caught on.

Don't you wish we had something catchy like this to raise church funds.
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I was thinking along the same line. My congregation keep thinking we can improve our budget by fundraising more and that people have money available that they are jus not (yet) giving. I am not sure about church people, but how is this in the general public? Anybody has statistics what the average Canadian is donating per year?
BI have the feeling that because it is such a crazy challenge, it gets money out of people who usually do not donate. They might not even be interested in the background education. It's the peer pressure that works.
Similar effect might be the tsunami donations- if it's big in the media- people give and don't bother about the background. Donating to an organization long term and being aware of how this money is spend is more for the long term donor.

Similar the hospital "win a house" lottery tickets. There was a W5 documentary about that. Barely 30% actually gets to the good cause, the rest is just gambling.
 
Pr. Jae said:
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Save the water. Donate the money.
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How much water does your church go through for the baptisms?
 
chansen said:
How much water does your church go through for the baptisms?
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Interested in knowing the volume of our tank? I don't know offhand. Come to my church as my guest and see for yourself. We gather for worship on Sundays at 10:30am.
 
If we're going to complain about use of clean water for a purely symbolic purpose, then that brings the baptismal font to mind. Why should Baptists get a pass for going through gallons of water for a ritual, yet ALS supporters get criticized for bringing attention for a good cause?

Lots more people now know about ALS and have donated because of this viral campaign. I applaud them. You guys dunk people because they accepted Jesus, and then....dump the water, I assume? Or do you chlorinate it like a pool? Oh, if you bless it regularly, does algae just not grow because, ya know, "Power of Christ" and all that?
 
chansen said:
If we're going to complain about use of clean water for a purely symbolic purpose, then that brings the baptismal font to mind. Why should Baptists get a pass for going through gallons of water for a ritual, yet ALS supporters get criticized for bringing attention for a good cause?

Lots more people now know about ALS and have donated because of this viral campaign. I applaud them. You guys dunk people because they accepted Jesus, and then....dump the water, I assume? Or do you chlorinate it like a pool? Oh, if you bless it regularly, does algae just not grow because, ya know, "Power of Christ" and all that?
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Your questions about our Baptist ordinance of baptism are both wonderful and valid chansen. I repeat my invitation to you to join us for worship that you might see how we do things at my church.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Your questions about our Baptist ordinance of baptism are both wonderful and valid chansen. I repeat my invitation to you to join us for worship that you might see how we do things at my church.
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I'd rather be waterboarded. I'm simply asking you what your church does with that water? How many gallons do you go through each week?

Do you even know? And if you don't, where is the outrage over that water?
 
LOL ... now there is a great use for that water! .... waterboarding chansen !!!! LOL.....
Now if memory serves me correctly ..... full immersion baptisms are usually a scheduled event and those events occur infrequently. The churches I have been associated with would wait until there were a number of baptisms to do before scheduling a service for that.
The water typically ends up down the drain just like a home bathtub.
 
RitaTG said:
LOL ... now there is a great use for that water! .... waterboarding chansen !!!! LOL.....
Now if memory serves me correctly ..... full immersion baptisms are usually a scheduled event and those events occur infrequently. The churches I have been associated with would wait until there were a number of baptisms to do before scheduling a service for that.
The water typically ends up down the drain just like a home bathtub.
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Yes - and in our case back into the City of Toronto's water supply. Just think chanson - the next time you drink tap water it may very well be water someone was baptized in.
 
Just so you know, the water you dump down the drain in any combined or sanitary sewer in Toronto, does not go back to the water supply directly. It gets treated and is sent back to Lake Ontario.

http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=8d3cfe4eda8ae310VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD

No word if the city feels the need to unbaptize and secularize the water prior to releasing it back to the lake.

You're actually better off using that relatively clean "grey" water on any grass you have, because it doesn't need treatment for that use. Which is essentially what all the ALS challenge people are doing.
 
chansen said:
Just so you know, the water you dump down the drain in any combined or sanitary sewer in Toronto, does not go back to the water supply directly. It gets treated and is sent back to Lake Ontario.
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Ok - right - then the city may take it again - treat it - and send it back out. In any event - it isn't wasted like it is by many in the icebucket challenge where it just gets dumped on the ground.
 
chansen said:

You're actually better off using that relatively clean "grey" water on any grass you have, because it doesn't need treatment for that use. Which is essentially what all the ALS challenge people are doing.
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No. Many are dumping the water on to driveways - parking lots - and sidewalks. If only they would dump it on to grass - gardens - or bodies of water.
 
That makes zero difference. The point is, they generally aren't forcing their municipalities to treat the water like you are if you're dumping relatively clean water down the drain. Your church is using more resources disposing of baptism water than ALS challenge participants are. And they each do it once. You do it for every round of baptisms.

Just so you understand, we don't treat wastewater so that we can refill Lake Ontario. We treat it to make it safe to be in our lakes and rivers. If we could magically make it go away, we would. Pouring relatively clean water down the drain is a greater waste than dumping it on a driveway, which could end up in a stormwater sewer, and go back into a retention pond and eventually back into creeks, rivers and lakes, without the need for wastewater treatment.
 
And I'll add to chansen's bit that water is made up of subatomic and atomic particles which follow something neet called no-cloning, which says simply that atoms & subatomic particles don't have individual identities
In fact, there is this famous bit by Richard Feynman where he goes on that all electrons are really just one electron

So the baptismal water in your thought experiment isn't ever drunk by chansen

'Baptismal water' seems to be a social norm that some of us human beings give to a certain configuration of certain elements under certain conditions (local gravity field, temperature has to be such to allow liquid water, atmospheric pressure has to be not too little or not too much, and so forth)

Some minor mindblowing courtesy of Truth and reality being so awesome :3
 
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