Alberta Election
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Lastpointe
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It will be an interesting time for alberta
For those of you soooo excitd
42% vote for NDP
52% vote for PCs and wildrose
Vote splitting
Now it seems to me, when I think back on the last federal election you were all positive that the Consevatives couldnt be legitamet because the opposition had a combined 50+% of the vote
And now?
For those of you soooo excitd
42% vote for NDP
52% vote for PCs and wildrose
Vote splitting
Now it seems to me, when I think back on the last federal election you were all positive that the Consevatives couldnt be legitamet because the opposition had a combined 50+% of the vote
And now?
Lastpointe
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Of course it is hard to picture anyone getting more than 50% of the vote withmultiple parties
Alex
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I know people who are alive today because of Trillium. a program to pay for meds that were too expensive. Plus over 1/4 of a million people live in affordable housing built during the NDP reign. The reason his govt has a poor reputation is that he failed labour and lgbt people, and thus after he was gone there were few people willing to defend his gvt.
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It will be the twilight zone. There will be some learning curve. But albertans run Alberta, so we'll be ok.
...Clearly...Albertans have given the NDP a mandate to bring better healthcare, an improved education system, and good jobs to Alberta.
(they won 9 more seats than needed for a majority, and the party that ruled for 43!!! years - who thought they were a shoo-in again - as just about everyone in the country would assume - was sunk. It's unprecedented.)
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43 years is a looong time for one party to govern. Way too long. It's a dynasty. They needed someone new. Allison Redford ticked people off with her extravagant personal expenditures. Prentice insulted Albertans by telling them they need to take up the slack for his governments mistakes. And Danielle Smith left her Wild Rose party to join an old sinking ship - so the NDP won. That's how it's looking from here.
Lastpointe
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...Clearly...Albertans have given the NDP a mandate to bring better healthcare, an improved education system, and good jobs to Alberta.
(they won 9 more seats than needed for a majority, and the party that ruled for 43!!! years - who thought they were a shoo-in again - as just about everyone in the country would assume - was sunk. It's unprecedented.)
clearly they won a majority of the seats. Just like the conservatives did federally last time
Yet they was popular sentiment on wondercafe that they had 40 some odd percent of the vote only
So my point is
How definitive is it when they took 42 % of the vote and a majority of the seats.
I am fine with it. But it isnt an overwhelming majorit of thepopulatio. Just a majority of the seats
I expect the new government will have to face reality pretty quickly.
Lastpointe
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And realistically
You have no idea what people were voting for
The NDP policies? Some votes
The NDP leader who did a stellar job. Lots of votes
The anti government vote. Tons of votes
The "i cant believe y cant do something to raise the price of oil and get me back my job " people. Lots of votes
You have no idea what people were voting for
The NDP policies? Some votes
The NDP leader who did a stellar job. Lots of votes
The anti government vote. Tons of votes
The "i cant believe y cant do something to raise the price of oil and get me back my job " people. Lots of votes
@Lastpointe I've been looking for the actual vote counts but can't find them.
Young people tired of an old guard dynasty - tons of votes. The PCs need a rest - and maybe federally give the rest of us a break from them too.
ChemGal
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ChemGal
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People like to skew things to their viewpoint. I have seen more support for proportional representation that last few years though by some, regardless or results.
That aspect doesn't bother me as much. I would like to actually have some say in the leader though, like 2 separate votes, one for local, one for leader if not the proportional rep system being proposed by many. There's also the issue of equal say, areas with population increases often have many more people/seat.
I was looking for actual numbers of votes not percentages but that'll do. Yes, the vote was split. Still pretty impressive for the NDP who wasn't even an afterthought in previous elections.
I'm tired of the right wing culture that's taken hold, and the growing divide between rich (who call themselves middle class at $250 grand/ year.) It's too far to the right. I'd like to see just a little more fairness and a little less telling marginalized people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps as if everyone has the same opportunities - when they don't. It's cruel. Our country feels less compassionate - everyone out for themselves, nobody caring for each other, especially if they're poor, then they're dirt - than the one I grew up in.
ChemGal
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They give the numbers with the map.
Here in chart form:
http://results.elections.ab.ca/wtResultsPGE.htm
Funny, I can actually go down as far as my street level to see how people voted! I'm not included in the street though as special & advanced are separate.
It's a pretty good chunk. Votes were split on the right. It's true - almost the reverse of what happened in the federal election except the NDP got a few percentage points more than the federal PCs did I think. Well, if the NDP does a good job of cleaning up the mess that was left behind maybe Alberta will really be an NDP province for awhile, who knows?
You just never know
Blip, blip, blip....
Prentice reminds me of the biblical character Haman. When he orchestrated the Wild Rose floor crossing Prentice figured he had destroyed the other right wing party. However, Wild Rose, like Mordicai in the Haman story, seem to be the ones left standing. The PC's meanwhile seem headed for the scrap heap like Social Credit before them. Good riddance I say.
Graeme Decarie
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I'm afraid it may be too late to matter. North America has changed immensely over the last 40 years in the political power of the wealthy, the power they exert their ownership of almost all the commercial news media, their ability to hide their money, and the freedom from government controls made possible by free trade.
At the same time, the NDP has been too eager to move to the centre.
I'm happy the NDP won. But note, as I write this the house of commons is debating the anti-terrorism bill which is the death knell of democracy.
At the same time, the NDP has been too eager to move to the centre.
I'm happy the NDP won. But note, as I write this the house of commons is debating the anti-terrorism bill which is the death knell of democracy.
KayTheCurler
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With the voting on Bill C-51 completed methinks Harper et al have misread the mood of the citizens yet again. I have already heard someone saying they are delighted with the results in Alberta and that maybe the rest of us will wise up and get rid of the current crop of politicians. The person voted Harper in at the last election.
Our country seems to have lost its respected status across the world and it seems to be dropping into an unpleasant place. The very poor becoming totally destitute, the middle class becoming poor, spending on essential services going down...........tough times coming I think regardless of which party gets the most seats. .
Our country seems to have lost its respected status across the world and it seems to be dropping into an unpleasant place. The very poor becoming totally destitute, the middle class becoming poor, spending on essential services going down...........tough times coming I think regardless of which party gets the most seats. .
revsdd
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Rae didn't lose in 1995 because of the deficit his government ran. That's a myth propagated by both federal and provincial conservatives who use it to scare people about the NDP. But you're right - governments facing recessions run deficits. Ask Stephen Harper. He'll tell you that in a recession you have to run a deficit.
The NDP lost in 1995 because they lost their labour support. Rae Days - the "Social Contract" - did them in. To be blunt, the labour movement in Ontario wasn't willing to compromise for the sake of helping the government deal with the recession and the deficit they were having to run. The labour movement has paid a big price ever since (especially during the Harris years, but also since) for being responsible for kicking out the most labour-friendly government they were going to realistically have. I actually give Rae a lot of credit for having the guts to be willing to tick off his biggest bloc of support because he believed it was the right thing to do for the province as a whole, instead of being held hostage to an ideology.
Good luck to Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP. It was definitely time for a change of direction in Alberta.