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Nicotine is good for inducing additions to anything ... imagine industrious people putting it in useless food stuffs?

Du ah ... or duh?
 
Hard to decide whether to put this in abortion counsel thread or this one. Being that Mike Wallace sells the Abortionist on taking up smoking (27:00) by the end of the interview I chose this one. As I watched it I kept glancing over to my open pack of Philip Morris Cigarettes on which the warning coincidentally advises that Smoking (not abortion) is the leading preventable cause of premature death in Canada.

Philip Morris is currently the cheapest brand of cigarettes I can find locally.

There is a 112-year-old woman who has credited her old age to chain smoking 30 cigarettes a day - for 95 years - Batuli Lamichhane. She claims it's her daily habit that has helped her outlive almost everyone else in her village - and her own children. 'There is nothing wrong with smoking,' she says. The best part of her advice on smoking is this -- avoid 'commercially made' cigarettes. Instead, she recommends locally made 'beedis' - tobacco wrapped in tendu leaf.
 
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Instead, she recommends locally made 'beedis' - tobacco wrapped in tendu leaf.
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Actually, given how much the tobacco companies manipulate their product chemically, this actually makes a certain amount of sense. I'm still not going to start inhaling smoke for fun, but I suspect that a "natural" cig like this would be an improvement over the Imperial Tobacco, etc. product.

Funny aside: the father of one of my buddies from elementary school through to university worked for Imperial on the production line. He got free cigs at Christmas every year ... and gave them all away. No one in the family actually smoked.
 
  • Electronic cigarettes are taking a bite out tobacco tax revenues.
  • Some youth have their first taste of nicotine via e-cigarettes and report never smoking cigarettes.
  • Experienced e-cigarette users can draw levels of nicotine from an e-cigarette that are similar to conventional cigarettes.
  • Some research has found that the size and spray of fine particulate matter from e-cigarettes is just as great or greater than conventional cigarettes.
  • Major tobacco companies have acquired or produced their own e-cigarette products: promoting the products as "harm reduction" for smokers, That allows them to protect their cigarette market while promoting a new product. Tobacco companies also use "grassroots" tactics to form seemingly independent smokers' rights groups, just like they did for cigarettes in the 1980s.
Perhaps the primary reason politicians and governments are trying to ban e-cigarettes has more to do with lost revenue than health concerns.
 
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I find it hard to comprehend why anti-smokers do not lobby for a ban on the sale of cigarettes instead of perpetually persecuting the already addicted smokers. Go to the source of the problem by banning the sale of tobacco. Of course there will still be people that choose to smoke so those people should remain free to grow their own and possession should not be criminalized. Banning the sale of tobacco is the healthiest alternative and even I - as a longtime smoker - would lobby for that.
 
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I find it hard to comprehend why anti-smokers do not lobby for a ban on the sale of cigarettes instead of perpetually persecuting the already addicted smokers. Go to the source of the problem by banning the sale of tobacco. Of course there will still be people that choose to smoke so those people should remain free to grow their own and possession should not be criminalized. Banning the sale of tobacco is the healthiest alternative and even I - as a longtime smoker - would lobby for that.
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We have already seen how well prohibition works with alcohol (in the '20s and '30s) and weed. That's why regulated sale rather than a total ban is likely a better road. If you ban it, you're into a lengthy, perhaps neverending, expensive battle against smugglers and street dealers. I do support the ban on smoking in indoor public spaces since second hand smoke can affect others but I think smoking in private residences, including apartments, is okay and wide open spaces where the smoke can disperse carry less risk as well.

One thing I do feel is that smokers bring some of it on themselves with irresponsible behaviour. Finding butts lying around everywhere on streets, in parks, etc. is just disgusting. And smoking when you're on oxygen because of a disease caused by your smoking? Not sure if that's :( or :rolleyes:. (My employer is a home oxygen company and, yes, we really do have patients like this.) Not saying this is all or even most smokers but, as with many segments of society, the negative images of a few end up being projected on to the many.
 
Is smoking a great icon of a fog and mire situation in humanity ... for those that can out lie the other?

One has to have two things in life ... a mind and a heart to drive them to think about the wisdom of balance ... or you could fall off the chariot ...
 
*Abolition is not such a radical idea; it would really just help the industry fulfill its long-standing promises to the public. The cigarette, as presently constituted, is simply too dangerous—and destructive and unloved—to be sold.

Summary points
  • The cigarette is the deadliest object in the history of human civilisation. It is also a defective product, a financial burden on cash-strapped societies, an important source of political and scientific corruption, and a cause of both global warming and global warming denial.

  • Tobacco manufacturers have a long history of promising to stop the production of cigarettes, should they ever be proven harmful.

  • The most important reason to ban the sale of cigarettes, however, is that most smokers do not even like the fact they smoke; cigarettes are not a recreational drug.

  • It is not in principle difficult to end the sale of cigarettes; most communities–even small towns–could do this virtually overnight. We actually have more power than we realize to put an end this, the world's leading cause of death and disease.
*read the full article
http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/22/suppl_1/i27.full#sec-2
 
Could we really go against such a heavy industry ... devoted to upholding the image of something manifest smoking in a hidden manner.

Then there is the heavy part of so much arsenic being used to cultivate tobacco ... that real food cannot be grown on that wasteland ... perhaps why some foods have questionable arsenic content. But if we could just prove some smoke and mirror to occlude that fact ... we could peddle some contaminated food!
 
"We have already seen how well prohibition works with alcohol (in the '20s and '30s) and weed. That's why regulated sale rather than a total ban is likely a better road" - @Mendalla

The Queen of England drinks raw milk and yet there is a ban on the sale of raw milk in Canada. I suspect the fanaticism of Canadian authorities toward raw milk has more to do with protecting the supply management cartels than protecting public health and I suspect that is also the reason that there is no ban on the sale of commercial cigarettes. I am not sure but there is probably a ban on the sale of raw tobacco?
 
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I find it hard to comprehend why anti-smokers do not lobby for a ban on the sale of cigarettes instead of perpetually persecuting the already addicted smokers. Go to the source of the problem by banning the sale of tobacco. Of course there will still be people that choose to smoke so those people should remain free to grow their own and possession should not be criminalized. Banning the sale of tobacco is the healthiest alternative and even I - as a longtime smoker - would lobby for that.
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I would be for it, except there would clearly be issues with it.
I'd like to see tobacco prescription only. Those who are addicted can have the use monitored and hopefully would be encourage to quit, with help. Less of an easy supply for people to start.

I don't see that happening anytime soon though.
 
monk said:
Hard to decide whether to put this in abortion counsel thread or this one. Being that Mike Wallace sells the Abortionist on taking up smoking (27:00) by the end of the interview I chose this one. As I watched it I kept glancing over to my open pack of Philip Morris Cigarettes on which the warning coincidentally advises that Smoking (not abortion) is the leading preventable cause of premature death in Canada.

Philip Morris is currently the cheapest brand of cigarettes I can find locally.

There is a 112-year-old woman who has credited her old age to chain smoking 30 cigarettes a day - for 95 years - Batuli Lamichhane. She claims it's her daily habit that has helped her outlive almost everyone else in her village - and her own children. 'There is nothing wrong with smoking,' she says. The best part of her advice on smoking is this -- avoid 'commercially made' cigarettes. Instead, she recommends locally made 'beedis' - tobacco wrapped in tendu leaf.
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I remember when I was a kid - a couple of my parents' friends smoked beedis. They were very 'hip' at the time. The people, not the smoking but they were unique - part of the image.
 
But now you can drink your nicotine in a whole array of forms ... and the gods of business like diversity but only for them ... not the marketplace ... it should not change or it will upset the Peters put in place by numb Prin.
 
I'd like to smoke and it not be bad for me or anyone. :p Yeah, right.

I do not want my smoking monitored. Stuff that idea. However, I am on the free gum program and it is monitored for success, which makes sense. And it does work. For me, it's not straight from smoking to the gum...but I smoke way less to the point where I sometimes forget about smoking for a bit, then, a bit longer...and then, I'll just stop. But I am not putting pressure on myself because stressing about smoking drives me to smoke. Stress is a huge trigger for smoking. Quitting is the hardest thing ever. And so I'm not listening to never smoked non smokers because they don't know of what they speak. You have to have been a smoker to have a valid opinion on quitting, imo.
 
There is a roomer that you can pair up with someone and smoke without cigarettes ... one just has to find one of those rooms ... under the attic and away from the rest so thye won't suspect you of incarnate smoking ... or what appears as it is not ...

Allegorical S'X as a virtual unknown ... so one has to repeat to know it was real phoqah up under the Eve's thing ... a rise to the challenge?

Indeed my son ... a wee sole deire ... dipping deep as under the bridge in GEO Ghia ...

Real people as so embarrassed about metaphorical intercourse as they like it coarse ...a little one won't do! There are those that like it big enough to last but they don't know how ... they don't know it comes back after the first failure ...

Some encouragement is needed in all failures ...

You don't expect I Sous to stay up there all the time do yah Samantha ...
 
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I don't smoke inside the house...I sneak off like a horrible shunned pariah and stand at least ten metres from any doorway, with my head down in shame.

Ran into a childhood friend the other day - I was all apologetic because I was smoking, outside a cafe. She said "Oh, don't worry about it!" And gave me a big hug. That was nice and normal, like it used to be.
 
Kimmio said:
I'd like to smoke and it not be bad for me or anyone. :p Yeah, right.

I do not want my smoking monitored. Stuff that idea. However, I am on the free gum program and it is monitored for success, which makes sense. And it does work. For me, it's not straight from smoking to the gum...but I smoke way less to the point where I sometimes forget about smoking for a bit, then, a bit longer...and then, I'll just stop. But I am not putting pressure on myself because stressing about smoking drives me to smoke. Stress is a huge trigger for smoking. Quitting is the hardest thing ever. And so I'm not listening to never smoked non smokers because they don't know of what they speak. You have to have been a smoker to have a valid opinion on quitting, imo.
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First: my credentials: Smoked 1 1/2 packs (35-40) cigarettes per day, not light, for 35 years. Tried to "quit" a couple of times, to huge weight gain, awful temper, miserable existence. Became a non-smoker 11 years ago thanks to hypnosis. With no pain at all, except perhaps a bit the first week, and it was a real self-inflicted "pain". I had a light elastic band I was to snap whenever the urge to reach for a smoke hit me. Funny enough, the ONLY time I ever reached involuntarily was in the car. I still remember the sequence of putting my purse on the passenger seat, reaching into it for the pack on top, opening and lighting a smoke, then engaging the clutch and turning the key. I had a slightly sore wrist the first week while I re-learned that one.

Can I give you a couple of hints, Kimmio? Firstly, you don't want to 'quit' anything. That makes you feel deprived, and as you say, the stress makes you want to smoke more. What you need to do is decide if you really want to "be" a non-smoker, and then take some logical steps to become that person you want to be. A non-smoker doesn't think about smoking (and I don't, except in cases like this where I wish to be of help) and would no more dream of picking up a cigarette than the Queen would think about picking up a joint. Just a not-happening.

Second hint: try using some sort of hypnosis technique - either by paying a hypnotist you deem qualified, or by finding a self-hypnosis track that you like and approve of the message. The quality varies, and it's mostly free on-line, although I've noticed that the non-smoking and weight control ones are the most likely not to be free. In my case, I used a double-barrelled approach - I went to a hypnotist recommended by a friend (and paid a reasonable one-time fee, which included unlimited "re-hypnosis", which I never needed), PLUS I concurrently read a book by Allen Carr, U.K. hypnotist who specializes in hypnosis for a variety of behavioural issues. I became a non-smoker in a day, but I've known friends who went about it a bit more slowly, gradually 'forgetting' to smoke more and more.
 
Is the hypo nautic area ... a deep whetted space, sharp, so as to impale anything coming down in the era below the horizon?

Thus the edge or how it is spun ... whirred ...
 
I bought an e-cig. I really like it. I brought it out in the car while my friend was driving and I was discussing it. I took a "vape" and the first one he didn't notice, didn't smell. The second one I sort of blew in his direction to show him (he was interested to know how it works) and he said he only faintly smelled it, then nothing ten seconds or so later. I was not doing so well, again, with the gum and quitting thing. I am moving soon and can't smoke on the premises at all - this is a good solution. I got apple pie flavour. It really smells ever so faintly like a candle at first, then nothing at all. It leaves no trace of smell on clothes, breath, hair. It tastes good and it works on the cravings as well as smoking because it feels and looks like smoking and takes care of the hand to mouth habit. I read it is not perfectly healthy but could be anywhere from 80-95% less bad for you than smoking. No nicotine habit is ideal, none of it totally safe, I realize. It isn't easy though. This may actually help me quit for good. If not, and I am hooked on ecigs instead, at least it's not stinky for others. The only weird thing for me is the device makes me self conscious. It's small, epipen or mini flashlight sized. It's just new. I probably see people everyday with them so I don't know why I feel so weird - weirder than smoking - about it.
 
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