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Graeme Decarie said:
Governments obey the dictates of big money ... We need more government - and we need to control it.... The economic crisis and its bailouts were NOT caused by government. They were caused by law-breaking, corrupt, and irresponsible big business leaders.
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Right ... we have no government ... we have Banksters.
I say the only government we need is a government that is committed to abolishing money!
 
Graeme Decarie said:
We cannot afford the people who really own Canada and the U.S. We can't afford their appetite for war. We cannot afford to be diverting our money to fight wars for oil billionaires. We can't even afford the time these people take from other things we have to do.

Frankly, I don't see how that can be done without a social breakdown in the U.S.

As to Hilary, getting a transfer for Khadr was nice. But that falls well short of being a policy. The U.S. has to tame its billionaires. The only candidate who even approaches that is Bernie Sanders. And he isn't going to win.

The American population lives in a world created by an education system that teaches them a mythical history of the U.S. And Canadians, with the help of TV have fit themselves into that history. We marked the war of 1812 with a message----if there was one----that Canada and the U.S. are great friends. We aren't. governments don't have friends of other governments. What happened in 1812 was that the U.S. murdered Canadians and British in order to steal their land. But you would never guess that from our celebrations.

Later, it did the same to Mexico. Then, right after the civil war, it sponsored invasions of Canada by an American-Irish terrorist group. When we sent an army into our own west, we had to call them police so the U.S. wouldn't be offended. That's where the RCMP came from.
in 1903-04, Teddy Roosevelt threatened to invade Canada.

He wasn't kidding. He had fought in wars to take over Latin American countries, and install brutal dictatorships. Just a few years before he threatened us, the U.S. invaded The Phillipines, killing huge numbers and, on the way, learning how to torture. It then set up The Phillipines as a military dictatorship, ruled by an American. For some years, that was General MacArthur.

Obama now speaks of American Exceptionalism - which is the old Manifest Destiny - that God's plan is for the U.S. to rule the world, and it has the right to ignore all laws, to murder, to torture in doing that.. Look up Project for the New American Century on the web. That's what produced George Bush. And one of its authors was brother Jed.

Canada was a colony of Britain. Britain got rid of us in the 1930s because it was afraid of being dragged into helping us is the U.S. invaded again. We are now a colony of the U.S., and actually more so than we were to Britain.

Expect nothing from Hillary. She's as vicious and murderous as they come.
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So, we forgive the past because we can't change it, work together to learn and heal from it so as not to repeat the same mistakes - and stop diverting money into oil billionaires' pockets and divert it into green energy and climate change solutions. Simple, right? ;)

Do you think that anyone goes into politics with good intentions but faces a tide of corruption built up in the past and ends up having to choose between harmful decisions?
 
UnDefinitive said:
I repeat .... and you have governments that have a vested interest in ignoring these opinions because they don't want to change because they're at the root cause of the problem. But they don't want to acknowledge their role in creating the problem. They don't want to acknowledge that the problem is more government and that we need less government because that's not how they stay in power. They promise something for nothing... they promise that government is the solution for your problems, not the cause of your problems.
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You "repeat", eh? Yes ma'am!

@UnDefinitive tell me how the Scandinavian countries have managed to do well with fairly "big government". Dig up for me their recent corruption in the past decade (I'm sure there's some but not as widespread as other places). Finland's "big government" just approved $1000/ mo. universal guaranteed income to everyone.

The problem with the US is the Wild West attitude of too many. They've lost the plot. Gun control is a huge problem - and no I don't think citizens are governing themselves well with such loose laws about it.
 
So, @UnDefinitive Scandinavia has economic inequality well covered - but from what I have been reading, though money isn't an issue for the majority of people - racism/ xenophobia is, as is boredom and low work ethic - young people don't want to work if they don't have to so foreigners are employed at the menial jobs. Sounds like greed/ power/entitlement happening regardless of money. They are some of the most equal societies in the world but all is not perfect, and not because of money or oppression by big government.
 
Kimmio said:
Nope. I think he's hurt himself and the GOP and is going to hand votes to Hilary. Proportionally, she was already doing better than him. He has a very narrow base of supporters, getting narrower by the day. The narrowest minded ones in the country. No (a very very tiny few if any) minorities are going to vote for him. He's going to unite minority voters not to vote for him. He may end up going independent, in which case, it's very doubtful that he or the GOP front runner can win the presidency. It's a slim possibility but every Repub candidate is denouncing him and so is even Dick Cheney.
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He probably won't win the nomination. But he is leading it. By a 13 point margin. He has shown that 30% of GOP voters will vote for him no matter what. If he energizes that racist base, he could ride that wave. It could happen.

If he does win the nomination, all it takes is a scandal involving Hillary. That's it. Prez Trump.

Yes, it's unlikely. It could happen.
 
chansen said:
He probably won't win the nomination. But he is leading it. By a 13 point margin. He has shown that 30% of GOP voters will vote for him no matter what. If he energizes that racist base, he could ride that wave. It could happen.

If he does win the nomination, all it takes is a scandal involving Hillary. That's it. Prez Trump.

Yes, it's unlikely. It could happen.
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Although, she's just withstood a couple of scandalous moments with Benghazi and her emails. I admit I didn't really follow it, but the bit I have caught - seems to me it could've damaged her far worse but hasn't.
 
Kimmio said:
So, @UnDefinitive Scandinavia has economic inequality well covered - but from what I have been reading, though money isn't an issue for the majority of people - racism/ xenophobia is, as is boredom and low work ethic - young people don't want to work if they don't have to so foreigners are employed at the menial jobs. Sounds like greed/ power/entitlement happening regardless of money. They are some of the most equal societies in the world but all is not perfect, and not because of money or oppression by big government.
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Scandinavia’s progressive tax systems fail to protect their citizens from staggering personal debt.
Scandinavian rates of household debt are astronomically high. OECD figures also show the average Dane has a household debt equal to 310 percent of his disposable income; the number is 173 percent for Swedes. In America, the average is 114 percent. While America’s economic problems cannot be ignored, it is noteworthy that Scandinavia’s progressive tax systems fail to protect their citizens from staggering personal debt.
 
Kimmio said:
Although, she's just withstood a couple of scandalous moments with Benghazi and her emails. I admit I didn't really follow it, but the bit I have caught - seems to me it could've damaged her far worse but hasn't.
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Yes ... she should be in jail ... whatever .... it's a ridiculous situation all the way around ... I give up ... what will be will be ...
 
UnDefinitive said:
Yes ... she should be in jail ... whatever .... it's a ridiculous situation all the way around ... I give up ... what will be will be ...
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Maybe. I am not her judge and jury. I've barely been following it, as I was paying attention to what's happening in Canada. Just pointing out that it hasn't knocked her out of the running - yet.
 
UnDefinitive said:
Scandinavia’s progressive tax systems fail to protect their citizens from staggering personal debt.
Scandinavian rates of household debt are astronomically high. OECD figures also show the average Dane has a household debt equal to 310 percent of his disposable income; the number is 173 percent for Swedes. In America, the average is 114 percent. While America’s economic problems cannot be ignored, it is noteworthy that Scandinavia’s progressive tax systems fail to protect their citizens from staggering personal debt.
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But they manage to have better lifestyles and less poverty anyway. They may be in debt but not living poorly. What's your critique? They're living fine without actual money. Isn't that what you'd like to see?

Not having any financial system - which is what you imagine - is more or less like extending every citizen invisible credit with no tool to measure it by. What's to stop corruption and greed from happening anyway, by some other material measure? If all of a sudden everything was 'free' don't you think there'd be corruption? That some people would hoard too much? Why couldn't the same problems exist without money? Someone coming along to pick every last apple off the tree and not sharing? Would people work to keep things going? It'd be an honour system which is what credit is. Buying things without money. Just want your thoughts on it.
 
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What would the US be like if all Muslims decided that since the US (if Trump has his way) doesn't want us, we don't want the US and all countries with a Muslim majority of the population started a boycott - no trade or diplomatic relations with the US - and in support of this boycott, all Muslims everywhere held a sit-in and refused to do business with the US government? Tit for tat. Build a wall around the US and it works both ways - fence others out and they end up fencing themselves in.
Let's face it - we are all in this world together - if we want to survive we'd better learn to get along.
 
Seeler said:
What would the US be like if all Muslims decided that since the US (if Trump has his way) doesn't want us, we don't want the US and all countries with a Muslim majority of the population started a boycott - no trade or diplomatic relations with the US - and in support of this boycott, all Muslims everywhere held a sit-in and refused to do business with the US government? Tit for tat. Build a wall around the US and it works both ways - fence others out and they end up fencing themselves in.
Let's face it - we are all in this world together - if we want to survive we'd better learn to get along.
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Mr. Trump's philosophy seems to be tit for tat. Such a strategy seldom if ever works out well. Too much law, not enough grace.
 
Kimmio said:
@UnDefinitive I do not think the way the world financial system is set up is working for most people in it. I agree. Something needs to change about it.

Maybe Danes don't care that they have debt to the bank.
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@UnDefinitive you may have gotten your figures from this article. But it looks like the Danes aren't too worried about it. I don't understand the financial language, but I do know that in the Scandinavian countries they don't live excessively like in the US. Modestly comfortable but not very wasteful and extravagant. sorry.. This is off topic unless we were discussing Bernie Sanders platform. In any case, if your vision of a no money world is ever to happen it would have to happen in stages. Maybe the Scandinavian style system is a step closer?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ousehold-debt-burden-probed-by-danish-council
 
If we are all headed down the great souer/sewer why should we worry about depth and adepts? Unless you fear the Shadow ...

Didn't Christ prey from a closet of whet ... quite sharp like an indigo's bolt in the night?
 
Someone said we have to go back to nothing ... being that is a metaphor for Love and God ... unless there's a Shadow version ...

Does one have to understand shadowy allegories ... like TE Lawrence out in the sans of Arid domains ...
 
Kimmio said:
Maybe there's no determination that we have to go back to nothing. Just reverse course on what's gone wrong. Slow down.
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Stop, listen and know ... what? What comes after the other 5 (Penta)? Such things should be captured by pen, or plume for future feathering of the foul ... that' beus ... Gods thoughts as dirt on the cosmos as transcribed as BUSS?

Bet you mist ID ...
 
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