The Doctrine of Christ
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Thus the silence of the lamb ... be still and listen ... there's a eL of a' lot that's miss in ... if yo could only gather ...
Ha! My problem is that my synapses fire off entirely too much
A little epileptic humor there.
BetteTheRed
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It certainly seems to be a huge exercise in repression, which never ends well, as we all know.
What... my epilepsy? Well, I use a medication called Epival to repress it. Somehow I imagine that if you had epilepsy you'd want to repress it too.
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Uh, no, sorry, Jae, the repression to which I referred was unsafe's (and others) philosophy of an eternal human struggle with evil, which is, I admit, quite a strong thread in the Pauline epistles. Paul clearly struggled with some sort of internal demon - wonder if anyone's ever thought of alcoholism as a possibility?
airclean33
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Hi Unsafe --You posted --
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New Hi airclean33 ---quote from article -----You can see Sin seems to be breaking GODS Laws ---this is a true statement ------
the confusion comes in when we don't understand that we have a spirit and a soul ------the soul --our mind will and emotions are not made new when we accept Christ ---now ----remember this that Jesus taught ----that if we even think in our mind or visualize in our mind using our imagination the sin we are guilty of sin -----for instance ----we are saved -----our Spirit is Holy ---sinless ---because Christ lives in us as you said ------
so lets say for the sake of this example ---you are a male ---your saved ---have the holy spirit so your a Carnal Christian ----- your mind --still thinks like this world cause only our Spirit is renewed -----you see a female at work -----she gazes at you ---you gaze back ----you go home to your wife ----your mind from time to time reflects back to the lady at work ----the thinking of her increases in your mind now you imagine yourself talking to her ---then you go further in your thoughts of her ---see yourself approaching her ---talking to her now -----it goes on --and on thinking in your mind ---this is lust ----you now have lust in your heart ------your are Born Again but can't stop the sin in your mind ------you have committed adultery in your mind ------you just haven't put the lust into action jet ---but you will if your mind entertains the lust ---we have to lay down the thought ----imagination is a very powerful tool for Satan to use ---born again or not ------unless we know how to resist the thought it will take hold and your body will move toward the sin -------
No Sister, I have not the mind of man . For Christ is changing my mine to His. He that has come from above has changed my mind to be in line with GOD . I am a born again . Or born a new . not of this earth but of the kingdom of Heaven ,That has come on earth , and that is coming". and is come" to earth.He that made us before the world was made , is apart of us . He in us and us in Him , we are in Christ and He in us.We are the beginning of the beginning . We are the end that was. All Glory is GODS. - airclean33- Gord.
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New Hi airclean33 ---quote from article -----You can see Sin seems to be breaking GODS Laws ---this is a true statement ------
the confusion comes in when we don't understand that we have a spirit and a soul ------the soul --our mind will and emotions are not made new when we accept Christ ---now ----remember this that Jesus taught ----that if we even think in our mind or visualize in our mind using our imagination the sin we are guilty of sin -----for instance ----we are saved -----our Spirit is Holy ---sinless ---because Christ lives in us as you said ------
so lets say for the sake of this example ---you are a male ---your saved ---have the holy spirit so your a Carnal Christian ----- your mind --still thinks like this world cause only our Spirit is renewed -----you see a female at work -----she gazes at you ---you gaze back ----you go home to your wife ----your mind from time to time reflects back to the lady at work ----the thinking of her increases in your mind now you imagine yourself talking to her ---then you go further in your thoughts of her ---see yourself approaching her ---talking to her now -----it goes on --and on thinking in your mind ---this is lust ----you now have lust in your heart ------your are Born Again but can't stop the sin in your mind ------you have committed adultery in your mind ------you just haven't put the lust into action jet ---but you will if your mind entertains the lust ---we have to lay down the thought ----imagination is a very powerful tool for Satan to use ---born again or not ------unless we know how to resist the thought it will take hold and your body will move toward the sin -------
No Sister, I have not the mind of man . For Christ is changing my mine to His. He that has come from above has changed my mind to be in line with GOD . I am a born again . Or born a new . not of this earth but of the kingdom of Heaven ,That has come on earth , and that is coming". and is come" to earth.He that made us before the world was made , is apart of us . He in us and us in Him , we are in Christ and He in us.We are the beginning of the beginning . We are the end that was. All Glory is GODS. - airclean33- Gord.
airclean33
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Hi revsdd---You posted --This to Mystic--
I'm not overlooking anything, but I do think that you're not completely aware of the background of the discussion which is taking place here.
I would say right off that there are degrees of judgement.
First, I believe that Christians are never to engage in the type of judgement that declares a person's eternal fate. In other words, it is not for us to declare someone hell-bound. A person's eternal destiny is in the hands of God.
Airclean--Post--I believe Rev Steve your eternal destiny. Is in your own hands. You must use the will GOD has given you," the choice. Break His Law and you have made the choice. Thou shell not touch this" tree "For in the day you do . You shell Die.Just keep the Law, an you would have been OK. If a crime has happened , You Rev Steve seem to want to find the Judge Guilty" ?This being kind of funny . Because you see", it is what GOD did, He has taken our place.
I'm not overlooking anything, but I do think that you're not completely aware of the background of the discussion which is taking place here.
I would say right off that there are degrees of judgement.
First, I believe that Christians are never to engage in the type of judgement that declares a person's eternal fate. In other words, it is not for us to declare someone hell-bound. A person's eternal destiny is in the hands of God.
Airclean--Post--I believe Rev Steve your eternal destiny. Is in your own hands. You must use the will GOD has given you," the choice. Break His Law and you have made the choice. Thou shell not touch this" tree "For in the day you do . You shell Die.Just keep the Law, an you would have been OK. If a crime has happened , You Rev Steve seem to want to find the Judge Guilty" ?This being kind of funny . Because you see", it is what GOD did, He has taken our place.
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airclean33
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No I think both you and revsdd . Have trouble in understanding GODS word. Perhaps you can show me were I am wrong?
What I can do is to share with you how we may think differently. I think your eternal destiny is in God's hands. We all have broken his law. We're all only saved through his grace. Can you show me how I have misunderstood God's Word.
The "word says stop and know ... if you know God will you take the devil in the other hand and take a slow walk to let some clues sink in? It says we should care for the poor stranger ... perhaps why humans are so religiously hateful! But you know it ... the word ... has been so redacted and altered ... one almost has to take up an alternate way of thinking about IT ... like turn it all about and upside down ... like the backside of the English Capital ... London Derriere? Ain't that a hummer ...
revsdd
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Essentially ditto.
airclean's claim is that our eternal destiny is in our hands. I would argue that if my eternal destiny is in my own hands then I am hopelessly lost. I am saved only by the gracious act of God, no matter what I do or what I believe. I cannot save myself. And, ultimately, God will save whom God will save.
Seeler
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Bette - I've never heard alcoholism mentioned in this context. In fact I don't believe alcoholism is often mentioned except in connection with gluttony.
As for Paul's affliction - I have heard speculation that it might have been: a problem with his eyes, migraines, epilepsy, crippled legs, and (one of the strongest arguments) homosexuality. I'll have to consider the possibility of alcoholism the next time I study Paul.
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Hi airclean33 your quote ------No Sister, I have not the mind of man . For Christ is changing my mine to His. He that has come from above has changed my mind to be in line with GOD . I am a born again
So here airclean33 bear with me -----you have made 2 statements here ---have you not ------For Christ is changing my mine to His --- here you say Christ is changing -----then you say ----He that has come from above has changed my mind to be in line with GOD . ---He has changed my mind -----
So here is the thing ---what is your belief on this ----this is important airclean33 as this will show your belief that you are free from sin in mind and spirit and will stop the badgering from the others about you saying you do not sin --------your belief is yours and you should be able to express your beliefs without being told your are wrong in that belief ----all of us have different beliefs and they are expressed ----are they wrong not to that person -- God will be the judge on that when we meet Him ----your sin belief should be no different ------ I think clarifying your belief is the issue -------
Do you believe that--- your spirit and soul are separate or all one ---cause in the first statement you say ---is changing ---so that says to me it is not fully changed yet which means Satan still has access to put thoughts contrary to God's word in your mind and that your Soul is separate from your Spirit ------then in the latter statement you say he Has already changed your mind to be in line with His ------this to me says that you believe that your Spirit and Soul are the same not separate -------
It would make sense to me that if in fact you believe your Spirit and Soul are one in the same that you would believe that when you are born again from above that both your spirit and soul would be in line with God -------but here you have 2 statements that are confusing your real belief ----
This is what the Bible says which is God in my view on the Spirit --Soul And Body ------which are divided --the word says ------so they are not the same --they are separate ---and that the word is a discerner of the thoughts and intentions of the heart -----and shows that we are a tri part being ---the joints and marrow are our body -----
Hebrews 4:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
So your view on where you are in your thinking of the Spirit and Soul is important in others understanding your take on sin -----
The Bible continues to tell us to renew our minds in Romans ---we already have the Holy Spirit so if God changes our thinking when He changes our Spirit then why does He talk about renewing our mind -------
this is from got questions -----on the mind of Christ ---http://www.gotquestions.org/mind-of-Christ.html
Question: "How can I have the mind of Christ?"
Answer:In1 Corinthians 2:16, Paul quotesIsaiah 40:13and then makes a statement concerning all believers: “We have the mind of Christ.” Having the mind of Christ means sharing the plan, purpose, and perspective of Christ, and it is something that all believers possess.
Having the mind of Christ means we understand God’s plan in the world—to bring glory to Himself, restore creation to its original splendor, and provide salvation for sinners. It means we identify with Christ’s purpose “to seek and to save what was lost” (Luke 19:10). It means we share Jesus’ perspective of humility and obedience (Philippians 2:5-8), compassion (Matthew 9:36), and prayerful dependence on God (Luke 5:16).
In the verses leading up to1 Corinthians 2:16, we note some truths concerning the mind of Christ:
1) The mind of Christ stands in sharp contrast to the wisdom of man (verses 5-6).
2) The mind of Christ involves wisdom from God, once hidden but now revealed (verse 7).
3) The mind of Christ is given to believers through the Spirit of God (verses 10-12).
4) The mind of Christ cannot be understood by those without the Spirit (verse 14).
5) The mind of Christ gives believers discernment in spiritual matters (verse 15).
In order to have the mind of Christ, one must first have saving faith in Christ (John 1:12;1 John 5:12). After salvation, the believer lives a life under God’s influence. The Holy Spirit indwells and enlightens the believer, infusing him with wisdom—the mind of Christ. The believer bears a responsibility to yield to the Spirit’s leading (Ephesians 4:30) and to allow the Spirit to transform and renew his mind (Romans 12:1-2).
Your belief is your belief ------we part ways on this issue ------The Bible says there are 3 types of man ---Natural ----worldly ---Carnal Man --born again but still fleshy ----this word when looked up means --a way of thinking still worldly in thinking Soul is not yet lined up with the New Spirit---Spiritual Man ----body --mind and spirit are lined up ----only one man succeeded so far ---- in my book ----Jesus Christ ---we can work toward being Mature in Spirit but we will be hard pressed to reach the Goal this is just my view ------to get there we have to keep all weeds out of our thoughts ---Satan is very powerful in keeping us at bay from fully understanding and accomplishing our Spiritual man goal -----
So if your belief is that God changed your Spirit and mind at the same time then you truly believe you have surpassed the Carnal man and have matured to the last man ------I personally am still in the Carnal man state but work every day to get beyond it ------
SPIRITUAL MAN---read all here ----great article on the 3 types of man --http://www.midnightcry.org/pubs/books/dfd/three_types.htm
The spiritual man is one who has grown up in spiritual things and is more under the control and influence of the Spirit and Word of God than he is the flesh, his spirituality, of course, depending on the degree of growth and development.
Those who are spiritual have presented their bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God. They have consequently been transformed by the renewing of their minds whereby they are able to know what is that good and perfect and acceptable will of God. Rom. 12:1-2.
It is the renewed mind of the spiritual man that enables him to discern good on one hand and evil on the other. Heb. 5:14. A common ruse or deception that Satan uses on the natural man and the carnal Christian will not work against one that is spiritual. He alone is capable of walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. Galatians 5:16. The spiritual man alone can say of Satan “...we are not ignorant of his devices.” 2 Cor. 2:11.
God Bless Brother ---we just think different on this subject -----
So here airclean33 bear with me -----you have made 2 statements here ---have you not ------For Christ is changing my mine to His --- here you say Christ is changing -----then you say ----He that has come from above has changed my mind to be in line with GOD . ---He has changed my mind -----
So here is the thing ---what is your belief on this ----this is important airclean33 as this will show your belief that you are free from sin in mind and spirit and will stop the badgering from the others about you saying you do not sin --------your belief is yours and you should be able to express your beliefs without being told your are wrong in that belief ----all of us have different beliefs and they are expressed ----are they wrong not to that person -- God will be the judge on that when we meet Him ----your sin belief should be no different ------ I think clarifying your belief is the issue -------
Do you believe that--- your spirit and soul are separate or all one ---cause in the first statement you say ---is changing ---so that says to me it is not fully changed yet which means Satan still has access to put thoughts contrary to God's word in your mind and that your Soul is separate from your Spirit ------then in the latter statement you say he Has already changed your mind to be in line with His ------this to me says that you believe that your Spirit and Soul are the same not separate -------
It would make sense to me that if in fact you believe your Spirit and Soul are one in the same that you would believe that when you are born again from above that both your spirit and soul would be in line with God -------but here you have 2 statements that are confusing your real belief ----
This is what the Bible says which is God in my view on the Spirit --Soul And Body ------which are divided --the word says ------so they are not the same --they are separate ---and that the word is a discerner of the thoughts and intentions of the heart -----and shows that we are a tri part being ---the joints and marrow are our body -----
Hebrews 4:12New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
So your view on where you are in your thinking of the Spirit and Soul is important in others understanding your take on sin -----
The Bible continues to tell us to renew our minds in Romans ---we already have the Holy Spirit so if God changes our thinking when He changes our Spirit then why does He talk about renewing our mind -------
this is from got questions -----on the mind of Christ ---http://www.gotquestions.org/mind-of-Christ.html
Question: "How can I have the mind of Christ?"
Answer:In1 Corinthians 2:16, Paul quotesIsaiah 40:13and then makes a statement concerning all believers: “We have the mind of Christ.” Having the mind of Christ means sharing the plan, purpose, and perspective of Christ, and it is something that all believers possess.
Having the mind of Christ means we understand God’s plan in the world—to bring glory to Himself, restore creation to its original splendor, and provide salvation for sinners. It means we identify with Christ’s purpose “to seek and to save what was lost” (Luke 19:10). It means we share Jesus’ perspective of humility and obedience (Philippians 2:5-8), compassion (Matthew 9:36), and prayerful dependence on God (Luke 5:16).
In the verses leading up to1 Corinthians 2:16, we note some truths concerning the mind of Christ:
1) The mind of Christ stands in sharp contrast to the wisdom of man (verses 5-6).
2) The mind of Christ involves wisdom from God, once hidden but now revealed (verse 7).
3) The mind of Christ is given to believers through the Spirit of God (verses 10-12).
4) The mind of Christ cannot be understood by those without the Spirit (verse 14).
5) The mind of Christ gives believers discernment in spiritual matters (verse 15).
In order to have the mind of Christ, one must first have saving faith in Christ (John 1:12;1 John 5:12). After salvation, the believer lives a life under God’s influence. The Holy Spirit indwells and enlightens the believer, infusing him with wisdom—the mind of Christ. The believer bears a responsibility to yield to the Spirit’s leading (Ephesians 4:30) and to allow the Spirit to transform and renew his mind (Romans 12:1-2).
Your belief is your belief ------we part ways on this issue ------The Bible says there are 3 types of man ---Natural ----worldly ---Carnal Man --born again but still fleshy ----this word when looked up means --a way of thinking still worldly in thinking Soul is not yet lined up with the New Spirit---Spiritual Man ----body --mind and spirit are lined up ----only one man succeeded so far ---- in my book ----Jesus Christ ---we can work toward being Mature in Spirit but we will be hard pressed to reach the Goal this is just my view ------to get there we have to keep all weeds out of our thoughts ---Satan is very powerful in keeping us at bay from fully understanding and accomplishing our Spiritual man goal -----
So if your belief is that God changed your Spirit and mind at the same time then you truly believe you have surpassed the Carnal man and have matured to the last man ------I personally am still in the Carnal man state but work every day to get beyond it ------
SPIRITUAL MAN---read all here ----great article on the 3 types of man --http://www.midnightcry.org/pubs/books/dfd/three_types.htm
The spiritual man is one who has grown up in spiritual things and is more under the control and influence of the Spirit and Word of God than he is the flesh, his spirituality, of course, depending on the degree of growth and development.
Those who are spiritual have presented their bodies a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God. They have consequently been transformed by the renewing of their minds whereby they are able to know what is that good and perfect and acceptable will of God. Rom. 12:1-2.
It is the renewed mind of the spiritual man that enables him to discern good on one hand and evil on the other. Heb. 5:14. A common ruse or deception that Satan uses on the natural man and the carnal Christian will not work against one that is spiritual. He alone is capable of walking in the Spirit and not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. Galatians 5:16. The spiritual man alone can say of Satan “...we are not ignorant of his devices.” 2 Cor. 2:11.
God Bless Brother ---we just think different on this subject -----
blackbelt1961
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at least they do not change God's word to fit there belief , you thought have
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airclean33
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Jae" your part of the post at top . I agree with . We agree on this much at least. Where you seem to miss the fact" that all sin has been taken away from the person that is saved. They are a new being , that is the spirit" part of humankind, cleaned by the Blood of the Lamb.If you are in Christ, and He in you . You have no sin . GOD dose not abide in sin.You should know then . Humankind is in three part"s. Flesh , Spirit, and Holy Spirit GOD. Our flesh part, is taken with our sins from us . To dust it was , To dust it shell return. That leaves your spirit with GODS Spirit . To which GOD gives a new covering or body or new Life. Made not from earth . But from Heaven. --Can you put this with your belief ? If not then you show me your thoughts . Gen 3: 19 , - Mark 15:33-34,- John1:13--Rev 19: 17-18--. John 6: 63--1 cor 15: 44.
airclean33
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Jae there is another part.--
1-Peter 1: 12-23---I also believe this as very in portent .
1-Peter 1: 12-23---I also believe this as very in portent .