Churchianity (Religion ) and True Christianity What Is The Difference ?

[airclean33]

Hi Betty The Red--I understand you have some problem reading my posts.But you must be able to read this.
Galatians 5New King James Version (NKJV)


Christian Liberty
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a]and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.4 You have become estranged from Christ, you whoattempt tobe justified by law; you have fallen from grace.5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

I think unsafe believe"s as do I . There is but one church of Christ Jesus. Those who have excepted Jesus The Christ, for there sins We never were meant to be a church of Denominations.

 

[airclean33]

Do Muslims have a religion, or is their religion all about their individual submission to God? Every religion/institution has individual members with personal spiritual relationships.

--I did not know this . Could you show me how they do that? Say the Muslims then any other one you mite chose?

 

[BetteTheRed]

And Jesus seemed to think that 'his' sheep were anyone who met their neighbours' needs for food, for visiting in prison, for shelter, for clothing.

I tend to listen to Jesus over Paul. Not that there's always everything wrong with Paul, but if he disagrees with Jesus, I go with Jesus' words.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Islam means "submission to god". A Moslem is "a person who has submitted themselves to God/Allah".It's what the words mean, so obviously the "religion" is completely about a PERSONAL relationship to God.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Do Muslims have a religion, or is their religion all about their individual submission to God? Every religion/institution has individual members with personal spiritual relationships.

And which personal spirit has proven himself physically?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Blackbelt, you don't have "proof" that Jesus was God. You have only theology.

You've got something close to "proof" of Jesus' existence, but not his divinity.

 

[airclean33]

And Jesus seemed to think that 'his' sheep were anyone who met their neighbours' needs for food, for visiting in prison, for shelter, for clothing.

I tend to listen to Jesus over Paul. Not that there's always everything wrong with Paul, but if he disagrees with Jesus, I go with Jesus' words.

--So you believe, Jesus said you could earn your way into heaven ? I don't think so Bette.You see the way to the Father is through The Son. John 3:16.-18. Only by Christ can you come to GOD "The Father. Islam as far as I know . Don"t believe Jesus was The Son of GOD.
You know there was another guy I liked on wondercafe who use to think as you do about Paul.

 

[airclean33]

Hi Blackbelt . Sorry Brother had not noted you were posting , to Bette. We will talker later Bette

 

[blackbelt1961]

Blackbelt, you don't have "proof" that Jesus was God. You have only theology.

You've got something close to "proof" of Jesus' existence, but not his divinity.

There's historical evidence that he rose from the grave that is more evidence than any other spiritual leader on the face of the planet past and present

But I am glad that you realize people can and do have relationship with spirits the question is how do you know the spirits you communicate with and have relationship with are actually from God or God's Spirit Himself

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

 

[BetteTheRed]

Blackbelt,

1. No historical evidence for rising from the grave. All you've got historical evidence for is the evidence of a human named Jesus of Nazareth.

2. Because if we're getting spirit messages from "not God", then that implies there is more than one God, and I'm a monotheist (well, panentheism is automatically mono...), personally. I agree that "there is more to heaven and earth than meets the eye", but I also can't conceive of what is "not god" in my BS.

 

[BetteTheRed]

PG-13, what was that supposed to help with? He's an enthusiastic recent convert to Xianity preaching hellfire and damnation...

 

[blackbelt1961]

Blackbelt,

1. No historical evidence for rising from the grave. All you've got historical evidence for is the evidence of a human named Jesus of Nazareth.

2. Because if we're getting spirit messages from "not God", then that implies there is more than one God, and I'm a monotheist (well, panentheism is automatically mono...), personally. I agree that "there is more to heaven and earth than meets the eye", but I also can't conceive of what is "not god" in my BS.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Blackbelt,

1. No historical evidence for rising from the grave. All you've got historical evidence for is the evidence of a human named Jesus of Nazareth.

apart from historical figures like , Roman historian Tacitus , Jewish historian Josephus, What this also tells us is that within 40 years of Christ's death, the knowledge of who he was was widespread enough that Josephus could reference him and expect his readers to know exactly who he was talking about

There is more Historical evidence for the Resurrection than any spiritual leader that ever lived

2. Because if we're getting spirit messages from "not God", then that implies there is more than one God, and I'm a monotheist (well, panentheism is automatically mono...), personally. I agree that "there is more to heaven and earth than meets the eye", but I also can't conceive of what is "not god" in my BS.

first one has to define the word "God", today its used very generically , only in the Bible does 'God" define Himself in who and what he is and also Gives Himself a Name,


this God who defines Himself further declares that there are other gods in existence

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

PG-13, what was that supposed to help with? He's an enthusiastic recent convert to Xianity preaching hellfire and damnation...

Well he's an x Muslim telling Muslims what a Christian is. I thought you may be interested in what a Christian is. No Muslims don't have a personal relationship with God. No hellfire and damnation either, that's just your conscience speaking to you.

 

[chansen]

apart from historical figures like , Roman historian Tacitus , Jewish historian Josephus, What this also tells us is that within 40 years of Christ's death, the knowledge of who he was was widespread enough that Josephus could reference him and expect his readers to know exactly who he was talking about

There is more Historical evidence for the Resurrection than any spiritual leader that ever lived

That's rich. Your claims get more ridiculous with each iteration.

Does anyone here really need me to deconstruct these claims again? I think most at WC2 understand the problems with making these claims, but Blackbelt insists on trying the same ones over and over, perhaps with the expectation that no one will correct him this time. I'm off to a bike race, so if someone wants to take a crack at it before me, be my guest.

 

[blackbelt1961]

That's rich. Your claims get more ridiculous with each iteration.

wow, that is a great defense of the evidence , you should have been a defense lawyer with such intelligence !

Does anyone here really need me to deconstruct these claims again? I think most at WC2 understand the problems with making these claims, but Blackbelt insists on trying the same ones over and over, perhaps with the expectation that no one will correct him this time. I'm off to a bike race, so if someone wants to take a crack at it before me, be my guest.

you do realize theirs a difference between mere claim and actual written accounts right.

 

[airclean33]

Well he's an x Muslim telling Muslims what a Christian is. I thought you may be interested in what a Christian is. No Muslims don't have a personal relationship with God. No hellfire and damnation either, that's just your conscience speaking to you.

Hi Ponifex Geronimo -- I enjoyed you vied very much. I believe in the Muslim faith it is kind of hard to make a change of Belief. I hope it did not hurt you or your family. May GOD walk with you, and help you on your journey with HIM. airclean33

 

[BetteTheRed]

There's a couple of historical, extra-biblical references to Jesus, yes. No proof for the empty tomb. Sorry.

 

[blackbelt1961]

There's a couple of historical, extra-biblical references to Jesus, yes. No proof for the empty tomb. Sorry.

theories abound regarding the empty tomb , even today some say, dogs ate the body, or the body was stolen like Justin Martyr wrote in his "Dialogue with Trypho"

But it becomes very clear that one common thread unites ALL versions of what happened 2000 ysr ago , and that is

the tomb of Christ had no body in it!