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What is all this bull, about some one saying there perfect. I never read about anyone saying they were perfect on this thread. Those who follow Christ know there is but One who was and is perfect. We have ALL SINNED that is all. But The Christ Jesus. That some believe they can ask GOD to forgive us , then just keep sinning is just silly. Anyone who preaches that is not of( GOD) but is of the world using only the mind of Man.
 
What is all this bull, about some one saying there perfect. I never read about anyone saying they were perfect on this thread. Those who follow Christ know there is but One who was and is perfect. We have ALL SINNED that is all. But The Christ Jesus. That some believe they can ask GOD to forgive us , then just keep sinning is just silly. Anyone who preaches that is not of( GOD) but is of the world using only the mind of Man.

I don't believe that my being in God's Kingdom gives me a license to sin, but I do believe that if I sin my God is willing to forgive me. When it's appropriate (in other words when I'm preaching and it naturally flows from the text I'm preaching from) I share with others that God will forgive them too.
 
Chansen if you believe you go nowere at death . Why then is it when you look at your Loved one . It really is not them ,they are not in that lifless, left shell. They don't look as though they were sleeping.What they were is not there , I know you have seen it. As many have, and there right . The living part is gone. Christians belief in the most part it departs , to were it came from. That' s why those like my self , Blackbelt unsafe ,and others . Don't what you to get there without Christ Jesus by your side.
 
I don't believe that my being in God's Kingdom gives me a license to sin, but I do believe that if I sin my God is willing to forgive me. When it's appropriate (in other words when I'm preaching and it naturally flows from the text I'm preaching from) I share with others that God will forgive them too.
Hi Jae -- I am not GOD but feel if you sin knowingly . GOD will know and (you will not get away with it.) GOD Love's us Jae . But He will not except sin. If you stay in your sin and come before Him. Even though He is your Loving Father He will kick you out, as He did to another beloved Son who was going to set his throw above the Fathers.This dose not mean you can't make mistakes as you are a born again and GOD is teaching" you His way.For a child must learn .
 
...If you stay in your sin and come before Him. Even though He is your Loving Father He will kick you out, as He did to another beloved Son who was going to set his throw above the Fathers...

airclean, that's not what I believe. I feel that when we become citizens of God's Kingdom, he sees us through the lens of Christ. He sees us as having Christ's righteousness. If we pass away not having told him about something we did wrong, God will not hold that against us, because Christ died for all of the ways in which we're unloving - past, present, and future.
 
Nowhere at death? One enters the domain of nothing ... and what does one make of nothing?
What you draw from this can be druid out ... into vast myths about superlative characters of support as subliminal and anti ridiculous ... as comparing spot lites with lime lites ... or in limestone ... sort of a light inclusion ... levitating forces causing stones to float in space? When colliding with ferrite material they can cause a flinty spark ... or so the story goes ... as Piscine thought ...
 
What is all this bull, about some one saying there perfect. I never read about anyone saying they were perfect on this thread.

I've not seen anyone who has accused anyone on this thread of saying that they're perfect, so a quote would help.
 
Rita, I've been pondering the issue, somewhat in a quandray, trying to see all sides.
Having lived for over 70 years, I have known people who committed suicide, and the people they left behind. Those close to them tend to be filled with guilt. Where did I go wrong? What could I have done differently? What signs did I misss? If only ... And so often the answer is "It's not your fault." "You didn't cause it; you couldn't fix it."
Two sisters - each with three or four kids - their second children, girls, are near the same age; cousins growing up together, attending the same school, sharing the same friends, having sleep-overs, giggling over plans for 'when I'm grown up'. One girl becomes a teacher - grade one at a local school. The other drops out of university, writes poetry, moves to a larger city. One girl develops a brain tumor. The other is diagnosed as bi-polar. Two years later they are both gone. And no one at fault for either death. But one of the sisters gets sympathy and understanding. The other feels a degree of questioning and condemnation.
The reasons for suicide are varied and complicated. Person A is not responsible for what Person B does.
And yet -
and yet -
when we see patterns - when we see suicide (or violence or murder) particularly prevalent among a segment of the population (gay or trans kids; or Inuit or First Nations kids; or any other identifable group) we have to ask Why? Is there something in the system (church, school, community, society) that drives these people to self-destruction? What causes them to lose hope? to despair? to anger and hatred, whether it is turned outward to those closest to them or turned to themselves - what causes them to self-destruct? How can we change the picture? How can we help?

A recent study has shown that the rate of suicide for rural youth is double that of youth in the city. They are more isolated, less likely to have access to some form of help, have more access to firearms and are usually living in poverty.

I also think that a lot of people don't even realize they are depressed....it becomes chronic and an acceptance of living life "less" becomes okay and gradually worsens. Even friends and family come to think of it as just part of who they are without encouraging them towards help.

How can we change the picture? So many issues to address....gun control, poverty, isolation, getting kids through the awkward years, increased confidence, .......probably more you can think of. Basically "joy" for living has to be restored and I do feel the church/God can have a part to play in that along with other professionals.
 
Hi RitaTG

No answer tells me you agree that we are all born in sin with a sin nature -----and this is what is so important for the young ones to know ---by telling the young ones of the LGBTQ community they are Blessed by God from birth to be the way they are is deceptive and lying in my view ----Only The Truth will set you free ----and the truth is Jesus is their only way to be set free ----all people are shaped in Iniquity and born sinners no one is exempt ---This is if you believe in a Christ---ian God -----other Religions I can't speak for ------Learning how to deal with the Iniquity and sin nature is important to be confident in who we are as people -----again my view ------

Peace and Blessing to you
unsafe ... what has this being born with a sin nature have to do with this topic?
Being LGBTQ is NOT sin nor is is anymore sinful than being heterosexual or cisgendered.
It is no more sinful than having brown eyes or being left handed .....
It is simply what is.... that is what my post about that is supposed to demonstrate.
Now as for evidence to support my position that being LGBTQ in itself is not "sin" I have put forth the Exodus International experiment and its staggering failure rate. That you have carefully avoided looking at or considering.
I will leave that with you.
 
airclean, that's not what I believe. I feel that when we become citizens of God's Kingdom, he sees us through the lens of Christ. He sees us as having Christ's righteousness. If we pass away not having told him about something we did wrong, God will not hold that against us, because Christ died for all of the ways in which we're unloving - past, present, and future.

At what time dose GODS Word state YOU ARE UNLOVED??Our God is a Loving GOD. If you are doing thing"s unloving . Which god are you following?
I believe by GODS Word say"s He Love"s us even well we were in sin. But He sent His only begotten Son to save us from His judgment of sin, to take away our sin through Him. This I believe give"s us no right to go ahead an sin. We do not live under the law"s.But we must learn to walk as GOD walks with GOD. As far as I can understand . Our GOD is not a GOD of sin, or sinner's.
 
These days in our postmodern world it seems most people believe in subjective morality, and want to choose for themselves what's right and wrong for them. A few others and I still believe that morality is objectively set by God.
Seems to me that this "postmodern" idea originates in scripture..... Romans 14 is a good example....
Of course we would like to confine this to merely food but then there is that pesky bit about about regarding days which of course would include the sabbath. Seems to me that speaks to something other than food...
Oh ... yes .... was there not something about Peter and a sheet full of unclean animals he was told to eat?
Seems to me that the lesson was about much more than food as well....
 
unsafe ... what has this being born with a sin nature have to do with this topic?
Being LGBTQ is NOT sin nor is is anymore sinful than being heterosexual or cisgendered.
It is no more sinful than having brown eyes or being left handed .....
It is simply what is.... that is what my post about that is supposed to demonstrate.
Now as for evidence to support my position that being LGBTQ in itself is not "sin" I have put forth the Exodus International experiment and its staggering failure rate. That you have carefully avoided looking at or considering.
I will leave that with you.
I think many "Christians" see the struggles of LGBTQ youth as a clear sign that they must be sinning, rather than see it as the sin/error is ours by not offering the Grace to include and accept.
 
Aircean-post
To Rev --revsdd--You ask me to show you.

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BetteTheRed said:
But here there's a clearly distinction made in this "nobody's perfect" concept, in this thread, and in theological discourse.

Nobody's perfect, but it has been claimed, upthread that LGBTQ people are uniquely imperfect in their identity or sexuality in ways that are NOT the case for cisgendered straight people. And these defects of identity or orientation were caused by a specific historical event in a real garden named Eden.( THAT is what being claimed here.)



[/QUOTE]-- revsddPost--- Some make that claim. I don't
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But here there's a clearly distinction made in this "nobody's perfect" concept, in this thread, and in theological discourse.

Nobody's perfect, but it has been claimed, upthread that LGBTQ people are uniquely imperfect in their identity or sexuality in ways that are NOT the case for cisgendered straight people. And these defects of identity or orientation were caused by a specific historical event in a real garden named Eden. THAT is what being claimed here.
 
A recent study has shown that the rate of suicide for rural youth is double that of youth in the city. They are more isolated, less likely to have access to some form of help, have more access to firearms and are usually living in poverty.

I also think that a lot of people don't even realize they are depressed....it becomes chronic and an acceptance of living life "less" becomes okay and gradually worsens. Even friends and family come to think of it as just part of who they are without encouraging them towards help.

How can we change the picture? So many issues to address....gun control, poverty, isolation, getting kids through the awkward years, increased confidence, .......probably more you can think of. Basically "joy" for living has to be restored and I do feel the church/God can have a part to play in that along with other professionals.
Hello Waterfall ......
Youth suicides in rural areas is indeed double that of youth in the city....
Very very troubling ......
However with LGBTQ youth the rates are more than 10 times that with transgender youth up around 43%
What to do about it ......
I am working actively on that and I hope to have some news to post here within the next few months that will be a step forward to get help to the youth so very much affected and yes that includes all youth and not just the LGBTQ ones.
 
By the way they had an interesting documentary about transgenderism on the DOC Zone on TV the other day. FYI if you can find it online.
 
Aircean-post
To Rev --revsdd--You ask me to show you.
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BetteTheRed said:
But here there's a clearly distinction made in this "nobody's perfect" concept, in this thread, and in theological discourse.

Nobody's perfect, but it has been claimed, upthread that LGBTQ people are uniquely imperfect in their identity or sexuality in ways that are NOT the case for cisgendered straight people. And these defects of identity or orientation were caused by a specific historical event in a real garden named Eden.( THAT is what being claimed here.)



[/QUOTE]-- revsddPost--- Some make that claim. I don't
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OK. I'm scratching my head. BetteTheRed never says here that anyone on this thread has claimed to be perfect. She says that some claim that LGBTQ folk are uniquely imperfect. Again, give me a quote where someone accuses another person on this thread of having claimed to be perfect.
 
At what time dose GODS Word state YOU ARE UNLOVED??Our God is a Loving GOD. If you are doing thing"s unloving . Which god are you following?
I believe by GODS Word say"s He Love"s us even well we were in sin. But He sent His only begotten Son to save us from His judgment of sin, to take away our sin through Him. This I believe give"s us no right to go ahead an sin. We do not live under the law"s.But we must learn to walk as GOD walks with GOD. As far as I can understand . Our GOD is not a GOD of sin, or sinner's.
airclean - I fully believe that God's love is perfect and unconditional. It's my love that's faulty as all get out. :)
 
It is best to not make claims (being we know so little of eternal things) and as a consequence ask questions of people that might be able to toss a few clues about what they too know imperfectly. This could develop into a social process of mined ... or social psyche as a rarity in anti-social settings ...

Isn't that a riot, or just alternate to chaos? Some say ruagh humour!
 
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BetteTheRed said:
But here there's a clearly distinction made in this "nobody's perfect" concept, in this thread, and in theological discourse.

Nobody's perfect, but it has been claimed, upthread that LGBTQ people are uniquely imperfect in their identity or sexuality in ways that are NOT the case for cisgendered straight people. And these defects of identity or orientation were caused by a specific historical event in a real garden named Eden.( THAT is what being claimed here.)


-- revsddPost--- Some make that claim. I don't.______[/QUOTE]


OK. I'm scratching my head. BetteTheRed never says here that anyone on this thread has claimed to be perfect. She says that some claim that LGBTQ folk are uniquely imperfect. Again, give me a quote where someone accuses another person on this thread of having claimed to be perfect.[/QUOTE]

Rev -- No one saying they were perfect on this thread is what I said? Some were saying it was.That is Bull.
 
Good grief Charlie Brown! ... could we please get back to addressing the plight of these LGBTQ youth in the church?
Should not the church be the safe place for them?
Should not the church be the accepting place for them?
Should not the church be the place that loves them in a way that does not harm them?
Should not the church be the place that protects them???
 
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