An article "The church is killing its gay kids"

[Seeler]

What you believe and what happens to be reality are quite different.

Sorry Rita - usually I agree with you but I have to take exception here.
While person A might have a lot of influence on person B's decision to end his life, only person B makes that final decision.
Many years ago my (then) teenage daughter broke up with the college freshman she had dated for a few months. A few nights later he showed up at our door just after we went to bed - crying, telling her that he couldn't live without her, and that he had taken pills from his mother's medicine cabinet. I quickly drove him to the nearest hospital, my daughter holding him as he sobbed and moaned. As we sat in the waiting room I remember telling my daughter "This was NOT your fault. He made this decision on his own. It is NOT your fault." Fortunately the pills, in the quantities he took were not nearly enough to be fatal. He was kept in the hospital over night and released. But while we sat together in the waiting room, I remember a hospital worker coming out to talk to my daughter. She asked a few questions and then told my daughter the same thing. "This was not your fault."

Yes, we do hear of bullying and situations where a person is driven to suicide, but generally it is not the fault of any one person. The final decision rests with the person taking the final step.

 

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• Exodus International promoted "freedom from homosexuality" through "power of Jesus Christ"

I have no idea about this Group ----Never hear of such a group ------

These are just my thoughts on this -----

But I can tell you that unless you are Born again you are away from Christ and that is according to Scripture -----The only way you have any Spiritual power at all is by and through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior who indwells us with the Holy Spirit ----So if the leaders and its people of this Exodus International were not Born Again there would be no Spiritual Power from Christ ----The New Covenant of Grace gives us the power we need but you have to accept God's Son to be apart of it --------

And for me and what I personally believe about why I am a Gay individual does not fit your reasoning ------you believe it is a gift from God --I do not ---I believe it comes the generational curse so we are far apart on our views on this --------what I believe works for me ----I am no longer under any curse because I am under Grace ----I am a happy ---healthy --peaceful ---blessed ----joyful ----prosperous ----heaven bound --person who has a wonderful partner who is also under Grace and we share a great life -----

Jesus loves and accepts all people no matter who they are -----No LGBTQ person is unloved or rejected by Jesus Christ ---and if you believe that Christ would and is rejecting the LGBTQ ----then you are in a sad place as far as I am concerned -----

 

[BetteTheRed]

If gayness is a curse, unsafe, then can you explain why most species of animals have some fairly constant proportion of gay individuals?

I'm glad you're happy with a dude, but that just means you're bi, not necessarily straight. ;-) (And I get that; both of my kids are bi, and they're often happy with opposite gendered partners.)

 

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BetteTheRed

Not getting into any discussion with you about this Topic -----Period -------and to clarify I am not bi ----how you got that is beyond me -----

 

[airclean33]

So ... to be clear .... you are not going to address my question about Exodus International?
Should you position be as strong as you seem to suggest then you should have some insight into the Exodus International experiment and why it failed other than just the curious speculation you offered.
I even followed that up with some possibilities to aid discussion.
I am asking again ... for the final time.... thank you

--Hi RitaTG --I have never been a part of Exodus International that I can remember. I also have told you I know very little about them. Or there Ministry. I have though walked with GOD these 36 years . I understand our GOD will not except sin. That is why He sent His Son. I believe if you were a drunk and came to Christ and ask to be for given . He would forgive you.If you still were to drink and die in your sin . You would not be forgiven. I know GOD Loved that drunk as much as any saint.But He will not stand for sin.You can not run around on your wife or husband . It is a sin if you keep doing it you will be a sinner. God will for give you if you ask. But this means you cannot keep going and doing it, or in GODS eyes you have sinned.If your a thief ,you cannot keep being one and come to GOD.Now GOD will forgive you many sins . Really as far as I know there is but one ,He has said He will not forgive. That being , taken The
at 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

Mat 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[BetteTheRed]

...And for me and what I personally believe about why I am a Gay individual does not fit your reasoning ------you believe it is a gift from God --I do not ---I believe it comes the generational curse so we are far apart on our views on this --------what I believe works for me ----I am no longer under any curse because I am under Grace ----I am a happy ---healthy --peaceful ---blessed ----joyful ----prosperous ----heaven bound --person who has a wonderful partner who is also under Grace and we share a great life -----

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BetteTheRed

Not getting into any discussion with you about this Topic -----Period -------and to clarify I am not bi ----how you got that is beyond me -----

Unsafe, if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine, but "how you got that is beyond me"? I quoted your words above, which indicated you were a gay individual, then you go on to talk about you're not "under the curse" any more. From which I concluded, rationally I thought, that you were a person who thought they were gay who was now in a straight relationship. That makes you bi, not straight. And that's just fine.

 

[blackbelt1961]

If gayness is a curse, unsafe, then can you explain why most species of animals have some fairly constant proportion of gay individuals?

Ill answer, im sure Unsafe wont mind. It goes back to the book of Genesis, Man aka Adam was given authority (dominion) over the earth , when Adam , sinned and fell from Divinity with The Creator, along also fell the kingdoms of the earth that were under mans authority , animal kingdoms, plant kingdoms ect all fell , and that is why we have death for everything that lives.

 

[Jaebius]

Ill answer, im sure Unsafe wont mind. It goes back to the book of Genesis, Man aka Adam was given authority (dominion) over the earth , when Adam , sinned and fell from Divinity with The Creator, along also fell the kingdoms of the earth that were under mans authority , animal kingdoms, plant kingdoms ect all fell , and that is why we have death for everything that lives.

So you'd say the fact that there is same-sex behavior amongst many animal species is a symptom of death?

 

[Luce NDs]

This happens ... there is no continuation of the species ... and as I look around at the crazed situation we're in perhaps that is good ... the mire earth needs a rest away from us?

I'd rather be Gae than so stoically sober! Then there is that Jesus syndrome ... the man glowing inside male or female ... and of course there's mere-y ... the opposing counterpart for the other isolated sects ... anto/anti social mis-santhro-phobic?

What's san ... that out there in an arid place ... dry humus? Much of the afore said invisible or unseen ... literal devices? Sad if you can't see eM as word(s) ... illiterate? The some are iconoclasts and we get the LOL 'n about ... <superficial whine> crushed by the underhanded? Tis a Pat expression ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Unc Ley Paddie ... inscribed with your sacred label ... a Nich name big odds ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

Ill answer, im sure Unsafe wont mind. It goes back to the book of Genesis, Man aka Adam was given authority (dominion) over the earth , when Adam , sinned and fell from Divinity with The Creator, along also fell the kingdoms of the earth that were under mans authority , animal kingdoms, plant kingdoms ect all fell , and that is why we have death for everything that lives.

Oh, my. And you wonder why folks find your brand of Xianity unbelievable.

Death and life are sides of the same coin - the sweet circle of life. Without death, there's no room for new life. Some pines will only release their seeds in the presence of a forest fire.

Death certainly seems like the Big Ending for human critters because they comprehend their own mortality. The rest of life just thinks its another part of life... Me - I want to be either a tree, or a bird, next.

 

[Luce NDs]

Others just fallout as they do not comprehend ends ... even when being screwed out of a creative state by stoic roué's ...

Numb phoqah, or just naïve? The silent "I" creates a nave in the hall ... such is writ as inscribed ... some illiterates find it the devil to learn ... becoming aware of the beautifully awesomely strange ... the pitz of passion as unique Niche?

Falling into what you knew you previously didn't ... next step please ... as a tear in the latter Deis ...

 

[airclean33]

So you'd say the fact that there is same-sex behavior amongst many animal species is a symptom of death?

Hi Pr Jae--Don't you understand . That when Christ returns to this earth. All animal"s will bow, All bird's , All fish in the sea's. All living . Will say Lord of Lord's and King of King's. It's in God's Word Jae.

 

[airclean33]

Hi BetteTheRed--Your post , To black belt .
Death and life are sides of the same coin - the sweet circle of life. Without death, there's no room for new life. Some pines will only release their seeds in the presence of a forest fire.

Airclean--I see you so wrong here. You don't understand what The Lord GOD has in mind. There will be I believe , Much more life to come . Much different than is seen today. But that "s a new story not for now. Our GOD is life , and a maker of life and those who except His Son and walk with Him now . Shell be there and see what will be.

 

[Jaebius]

Hi Pr Jae--Don't you understand . That when Christ returns to this earth. All animal"s will bow, All bird's , All fish in the sea's. All living . Will say Lord of Lord's and King of King's. It's in God's Word Jae.

Chapter and verse? It'll be interesting to hear animals speak, and see them bow - considering that their physical structures don't allow for such.

 

[Waterfall]

"A hunter is out hunting bear in the woods. He sees one, lines up his sights, takes his shot and misses. The bear sees the hunter and charges toward him. The hunter tries to take another shot but finds he's out of ammo.
The hunter falls to his knees and prays, " Dear Lord I ask that you let this bear find some religion before he does me in".
He turns around and the bear stops and falls to it's knees and starts praying, " Dear Lord, for this food I am about to receive, I am truly grateful".

 

[blackbelt1961]

So you'd say the fact that there is same-sex behavior amongst many animal species is a symptom of death?

on, im saying its a symptom of the fall

 

[Jaebius]

on, im saying its a symptom of the fall

My epilepsy's a symptom of the fall. So's my friend's blindness, and my other friend's deafness. Are they sinful brother?

 

[blackbelt1961]

Oh, my. And you wonder why folks find your brand of Xianity unbelievable.

I didnt ask you to believe it, i gave you a Bibles explanation , so since you dont believe in Absolute Authoritative Delegated Truths , I dont expect you to understand it either

Death and life are sides of the same coin - the sweet circle of life. Without death, there's no room for new life. Some pines will only release their seeds in the presence of a forest fire.

actually , death and life are not equaled opposite or as you put it, the the same coin.

example, take a coin, rub of heads you still have tails, that is because they are equally opposite, but remove life from an body, the body dies, you do not have the equal opposite, you have NOTHING

Death certainly seems like the Big Ending for human critters because they comprehend their own mortality. The rest of life just thinks its another part of life... Me - I want to be either a tree, or a bird, next.

and there you have it,,, self willed conscious creatures vr self willed non-conscious creatures , then they call Christians crazy for believing, in your own words you determine the difference yet deny the authoritative ability

Charles Darwin understood this concept well

 

[blackbelt1961]

My epilepsy's a symptom of the fall. So's my friend's blindness, and my other friend's deafness. Are they sinful brother?

sickness is a degeneration of the body , no its not a sin its a byproduct of the separation from the tree of Life .

cut a branch from a living tree , what happens to the branch over time ? it withers and dies , graft a branch back into a the correct tree a tree of its kind and thus the branch live again .

we are the branches, Christ is the Vine, God is LIfe