Those who believe that homosexual behavior is sinful would feel that gays are guilty of idolatry even by looking at each other.
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Those who believe that homosexual behavior is sinful would feel that gays are guilty of idolatry even by looking at each other.
airclean33
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--Hi Chansen I do not believe you your self are Gay. So have no Idea were you understand what a Gay thinks or feels. I also know you are not Christian so know very little about the GOD I follow.So what makes you think your qualified to post on this?
He's following a string of basic logic. What qualifies him is that he's a human with the capability of reasoning.
airclean33
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--Jae I disagree with your term LOVE. Although I believe you must Love The Lord Your GOD. With All Your Heart, Soul ,and Mind. But as a christian I believe it is most in portent we learn to OBEY The LORD Our GOD.
chansen
Had a point all along
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That I'm aware, you're not gay either. And while you are a Christian, your God has not seen fit to endow you with the ability to make sense or influence people, so I could ask you the same question.
Perhaps under the label irrational-rational ... which would be free will without thoughts ... and thus the Q'Loo was lost in de Loo ... it is a biblical as Christ's words on what goes down the sewer! The gas comes out as a stink ... but light and buoyant ...
airclean, what makes you think obedience is more important than love? I agree that obedience is important, but it must be obedience that is born out of love. Obedience for obedience's sake is vanity.
airclean33
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Hi Jae--Just wanted you to know , Jon71 and I have meant before . He knows what I believe , As I think I understand some of his beliefs. By the way .I believe Jon71 dose believe in GOD.Else I would not have asked what I did.
airclean33
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--Jae now you have me wondering again. Our Lord Jesus said I do nothing. Unless God tells me to , or I see God do it.Obeying God seems very In portent to Jesus. But it seems not to you minister.If your in touch with GOD you will know Love for GOD is real .Did you know this before you bowed to GOD? We must admit we are sinners. Then GOD will teach us His way. If you haven't learn"t this . Read Gods word and ask Him to show you before you take vows to teach the children of GOD.May GOD be with you always and help you walk with HIM. airclean33
God's word in the good book says mankind should be stupid (no knowledge) ... perhaps we were expected to observe everything and be still about it so others could see? Thus the writ is silent ... but alas one could see something of depth in it ... instead of taking thing literally ... and thus leaving the observation superficial ... that should allow arise or Eris as a Levite genre ... flighty like psyche ... ABBA'd E thing known in the ancient world as chi who fired up desires? Thoughts of primal loneliness as ID?
airclean, how and why you went from my saying that obedience is important but secondary to love to claiming that I don't hold obedience to be important, I don't know.
Jesus obeyed his Father perfectly because Jesus loved his Father perfectly. His obedience was born in love, as ours must be too if it is to have any true worth. God is love, and the persons in the Trinity have always existed in a parachoretic community of love for and with each other. God created us in love before he ever gave us any command to be obedient to.
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What an attractive commentary ... sort of laying knowledge flat out ... and the powers of the past didn't like common folk to have knowledge. Smart asses really be Piscine off the brute forces ... thus the unseen beauty of the psyche ... the dark side of David's perspective ... almost abstract to most people ... and one has to admit that where it is stored ... and thus the shadow knows ... or something like that as the ink flows ... some profound understanding of passions may be required as a point in time when people loose IT ... as a sign, or icon it could be negative in the passionate "i"! One has to Kohl it a bit ...
What an attractive commentary ... sort of laying knowledge flat out ... and the powers of the past didn't like common folk to have knowledge. Smart asses really be Piscine off the brute forces ... thus the unseen beauty of the psyche ... the dark side of David's perspective ... almost abstract to most people ... and one has to admit that where it is stored ... and thus the shadow knows ... or something like that as the ink flows ... some profound understanding of passions may be required as a point in time when people loose IT ... as a sign, or icon it could be negative in the passionate "i"! One has to Kohl it a bit ...
unsafe
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Do other Religions accept gay people into their religious groups ----we only hear about Christians ---Here is an article on another Religions
When asked about homosexuality and Buddhism the Dalai Lama has said that homosexuality is not allowed in Buddhism--but he has never explained why not. ----read here ---http://www.evangelical.us/homosexuality/buddhism.html
Treatment of homosexuals within Islam: read here ---http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful.
So is Christianity any different in their view of this Subject ------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality
Indian religions[edit]
Among thereligions that originated in India, includingHinduism,Buddhism,JainismandSikhism, teachings regarding homosexuality are less clear than among the Abrahamic traditions, and religious authorities voice diverse opinions. In 2005, an authority figure of Sikhism condemned same-sex marriage and the practice of homosexuality. However, many people in Sikhism aren't against gay marriage.[70]Hinduism is diverse, with no supreme governing body, but the majority of swam is opposed same-sex relationships in a 2004 survey, and a minority supported them.[71]Ancient religious texts such as theVedasoften refer to people of athird genderknown ashijra, who are neither female nor male. Some see this third gender as an ancient parallel to modern westernlesbian,gay,bisexual,transgenderand/orintersexidentities. However, this third sex is usually negatively valued as a pariah class in ancient texts.
Hinduism[edit]
Main articles:Homosexuality and HinduismandLGBT themes in Hindu mythology
LordShivaand GoddessParvatiin the form ofArdhanarisvara(half-man, half-woman)
Hinduismhas taken various positions, ranging from positive to neutral or antagonistic. Referring to the nature ofSamsara, theRigveda, one of the four canonical sacred texts ofHinduismsays 'Vikruti Evam Prakriti' (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural).[74]Sexuality is rarely discussed openly in the modern Hindu society, and LGBT issues are largely ataboosubject — especially among the strongly religious
East Asian religions[edit]
Among theTaoic religionsofEast Asia, such asTaoism, passionate homosexual expression is usually discouraged because it is believed to not lead to human fulfillment.[
So here we see a lot of Religions do not accept Homosexuality in their practice of their Religion -----seems Christianity is no different -----Religion is killing young gay people in my view -----
When asked about homosexuality and Buddhism the Dalai Lama has said that homosexuality is not allowed in Buddhism--but he has never explained why not. ----read here ---http://www.evangelical.us/homosexuality/buddhism.html
Treatment of homosexuals within Islam: read here ---http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
According to a pamphlet produced by Al-Fatiha, there is a consensus among Islamic scholars that all humans are naturally heterosexual. 5 Homosexuality is seen by scholars to be a sinful and perverted deviation from the norm. All Islamic schools of thought and jurisprudence consider gay acts to be unlawful.
So is Christianity any different in their view of this Subject ------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality
Indian religions[edit]
Among thereligions that originated in India, includingHinduism,Buddhism,JainismandSikhism, teachings regarding homosexuality are less clear than among the Abrahamic traditions, and religious authorities voice diverse opinions. In 2005, an authority figure of Sikhism condemned same-sex marriage and the practice of homosexuality. However, many people in Sikhism aren't against gay marriage.[70]Hinduism is diverse, with no supreme governing body, but the majority of swam is opposed same-sex relationships in a 2004 survey, and a minority supported them.[71]Ancient religious texts such as theVedasoften refer to people of athird genderknown ashijra, who are neither female nor male. Some see this third gender as an ancient parallel to modern westernlesbian,gay,bisexual,transgenderand/orintersexidentities. However, this third sex is usually negatively valued as a pariah class in ancient texts.
Hinduism[edit]
Main articles:Homosexuality and HinduismandLGBT themes in Hindu mythology
LordShivaand GoddessParvatiin the form ofArdhanarisvara(half-man, half-woman)
Hinduismhas taken various positions, ranging from positive to neutral or antagonistic. Referring to the nature ofSamsara, theRigveda, one of the four canonical sacred texts ofHinduismsays 'Vikruti Evam Prakriti' (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural).[74]Sexuality is rarely discussed openly in the modern Hindu society, and LGBT issues are largely ataboosubject — especially among the strongly religious
East Asian religions[edit]
Among theTaoic religionsofEast Asia, such asTaoism, passionate homosexual expression is usually discouraged because it is believed to not lead to human fulfillment.[
So here we see a lot of Religions do not accept Homosexuality in their practice of their Religion -----seems Christianity is no different -----Religion is killing young gay people in my view -----
LoveGodLoveMan
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According to the Bible, all mankind after Adam are born into sin and are sinful. Only Adam and Eve were created sinless and then they sinned by disobeying God. God therefore, does not create liars, drunkards, murderers, or fornicators. All are born with sinful desires and commit sin. God sent His own Son to redeem mankind back to himself and break the curse of sin.
Therefore, we cannot justify a desire simply because one is born with that desire claiming that "God created one with that desire." God gives us Grace to overcome our sinful desires.
Therefore, we cannot justify a desire simply because one is born with that desire claiming that "God created one with that desire." God gives us Grace to overcome our sinful desires.
LoveGodLoveMan
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Religious people may be hurting young persons with same sex attractions but God loves them. Anyone with a true relationship with God should love them as well.
Are you saying any sexual desire is sinful? Even heterosexual sex is a sin?
Agreed Love. At the same time, I would add that not every desire we are born with is a sinful one. For example, people are born with desires for food, and bonding with others, which are there to facilitate the meeting of human needs.
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The notion that any human desire is innately sinful appalls me and that is likely part of why I left Christianity. It is when desire crosses over into lust, when we impose our desires on others and the universe, that we cross over into the realm of "sin". If I want sex (with a man or woman) and get that in a consensual relationship of some form, that is desire. When I "take" through force or coercion that same thing, I am into lust and "sin". Gay desires are no more sinful that straight ones, which is to say that they are not sinful at all. The one human desire that I would call sinful is the desire to "take" rather than "give and receive". The other "sin", I suppose, would be excess (drunkenness to the point of doing harm for instance) but that still kind of circles around to the issue of giving our desire to be drunk (or whatever) over the needs of others so could be regarded as "taking".
LoveGodLoveMan
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No. What I believe is sinful is irrelevant. The Bible repeatedly affirms what sexual activity is sinful. Also, there is a distinction that needs to be made between desires and actions. We all have desires that go against our own morality that we have to subjegate to our will. We control those desires and don't act on them. To have a desire is not necessarily sinful in scripture. It is to give into that desire/temptation that is sinful.
LoveGodLoveMan
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What about humans who desire to murder? Or hurt children? Or take what does not belong to them? These are all human desires and are certainly not justified simply be being a human desire.