Should Unbelievers Say the Apostle's Creed And The Nicene Creed In Their Worship Services ?

[Mendalla]

A more cynical view of the early councils is that one side had more votes than the other

Which is really the problem here. I am sure the councils claimed the "Spirit was moving them" but reality is that it was a vote no different from a vote in a Parliament. The side with the most support won no matter whether the other side was well-supported or not.

 

[Jaebius]

But wouldn't the heretics argue they are doing this, too? Why give the established, institutional church a monopoly on understanding Scripture when it is inherently a subjective exercise? Churches are welcome to not allow heretics in their ranks but in this day and age, the heretics' viewpoint is as valid in a broader discussion (e.g. here) as the churches' and there is no such thing as heresy being a crime as it was in some past eras.

That's a good point, Mendalla, I suppose they can and even do argue that. They do so in error imho, but then I'm part of the Church.

Freedom to speak and a claim's validity are different things. A heretic has every right to argue their position. The Church has every right to say that position's false and contrary to Scripture.

For me, the goal's simply to pursue God's truth with humility, recognizing that both people and people groups can err, while still holding that some interpretations are closer to what Scripture teaches than others

 

[unsafe]

So what is Heresy in Bible terms

Strong Concordance

Lexical Summary
hairesis: Sect, faction, heresy , a choice, i.e. (specially) a party or (abstractly) disunion -- "personally select, choose") – properly, a personal (decisive) choice.

1. (properly) a choice
2. (by extension) a preference
3. (specially) a (religious) party, a sect, a denomination
4. (abstractly) disunion

Summary

Hairesis reminds the church that choice matters.

Choosing Christ unites; choosing self-made doctrine divides.

The same term that once described competing schools now warns of any teaching that rebels against apostolic truth.

Fidelity to Scripture preserves both the purity of the gospel and the harmony of God’s people.


Bible Hub
Heresy

Historical Context
Throughout Church history, heresies have arisen that challenged core Christian doctrines.

The early Church Fathers, such as Irenaeus and Athanasius, wrote extensively against heretical teachings like Gnosticism and Arianism, which denied the divinity of Christ.

The ecumenical councils, such as the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, were convened to address these heresies and to affirm orthodox Christian beliefs.

Theological Implications
Heresy is considered a grave sin because it distorts the truth of the Gospel and can lead believers astray.

In 1 Timothy 4:1 , Paul warns, "Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons."

Heresy undermines the unity of the Church and the integrity of its witness to the world.


I say ----Titus 3 warns us about Controversies -arguments and quarrels

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

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[Luce NDs]

So what is Heresy in Bible terms

Strong Concordance

Lexical Summary
hairesis: Sect, faction, heresy , a choice, i.e. (specially) a party or (abstractly) disunion -- "personally select, choose") – properly, a personal (decisive) choice.

1. (properly) a choice
2. (by extension) a preference
3. (specially) a (religious) party, a sect, a denomination
4. (abstractly) disunion

Summary

Hairesis reminds the church that choice matters.

Choosing Christ unites; choosing self-made doctrine divides.

The same term that once described competing schools now warns of any teaching that rebels against apostolic truth.

Fidelity to Scripture preserves both the purity of the gospel and the harmony of God’s people.


Bible Hub
Heresy

Historical Context
Throughout Church history, heresies have arisen that challenged core Christian doctrines.

The early Church Fathers, such as Irenaeus and Athanasius, wrote extensively against heretical teachings like Gnosticism and Arianism, which denied the divinity of Christ.

The ecumenical councils, such as the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, were convened to address these heresies and to affirm orthodox Christian beliefs.

Theological Implications
Heresy is considered a grave sin because it distorts the truth of the Gospel and can lead believers astray.

In 1 Timothy 4:1 , Paul warns, "Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons."

Heresy undermines the unity of the Church and the integrity of its witness to the world.


I say ----Titus 3 warns us about Controversies -arguments and quarrels

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.

11 You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.

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Face it as something different that a person of the establishment cannot accept even if included in the infinite definition that is impossibly unending ... as if de established or unwoven, deconstructed! Works for analysis ... like a breakdown when fiddling ... like demons on the thing called GEO Ghia?

Few get curious without something to question ... while some delude themselves ... believing to know things far beyond ... just out there ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Why can't some people accept they don't know everything ?

Authoritarian tyrants ... stimulating ... they are rampant in history they never experienced in their moments ... it is just how it is or how it goes ...

 

[Luce NDs]

I can write on and on about things people say they don't understand and then claim they know God ... an ancient word for all inclusive when it is scattered ... in accrued nature ... this insults tyrants mentality as unknown's are inserted or projected ...

Even Psyche scientist will say don't project when we are required to to internalize a sensation ... especially with hard-shell that tend so be slow ... turtling will upset it mentally ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Is time to get it together beyond our understanding? That's aula ... vite!

Most never acknowledge ... skimming! Pha 'd rises ...

 

[Jaebius]

When considering the number of efforts to manipulate our minds by powers of leaders, business and BS ... how hard is it to find actual virtue in all these layers of obscurity? It is so bad I see it is even difficult to determine in what I previously was told was normal ... when the world appears to me to be a bit off by the overwhelming drive to misinform the populace. There is so much dirt and mire out there it is like Sirocco or some other metaphor for a dirt storm ...

Even the boogie horses have mixed relations with bulls ... according to the news ... boogie is a behind thing ...

When I'm buried under all the dust and confusion, Luce, I focus on what's actually solid. Virtue's found in Christ. God's character doesn't shift with the wind.

That means we should be humble about our own conclusions. Test what we hear! REMEMBER THAT NO EARTHLY POWER'S ULTIMATE! Storms don't last forever. God sees through the haze even when we can't.

As for the strange stories and headlines these days, the news cycle's its own parody