Should Unbelievers Say the Apostle's Creed And The Nicene Creed In Their Worship Services ?

[unsafe]

These Creeds are said to profess one's True Faith in ----God the Father ----Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit ---

The word Creed comes from the Latin Credo, meaning "I believe".

So should Unbelievers take part in Saying the Creeds in their worship place when they reject God ?

The Motive would be showing a Deceptive Practice -----Would it not ?? Saying I Believe when they clearly don't believe-----

 

[Mendalla]

People doing stuff by rote just to feel part of the ritual is not really deceptive in my books, or is maybe self-deception. I won't say the creeds anymore myself and was not fully in agreement with those two to start with. The UCCan's New Creed fit better with my understanding of things.

How do you respond to those creeds, @unsafe? Neither is really 100% biblical, more a reflection of a period in the church's history. The Nicene in particular is very much a product of the organized, human church that you always seem down on.

 

[Luce NDs]

When the collective, cumulative (accrued) gods (I, you and us) are taken into consideration ... how can a believer accept that nothing will change?

If you believe we are the offspring of the vast mystery ... shouldn't the mystery expect some question from the alternate side ... like absolute desire of the abstract attention? The the mystery gets complex and beyond those that remain simple ... parsimony? The the consideration of projection of strangers into this midst ... myth?

 

[Mendalla]

People doing stuff by rote just to feel part of the ritual is not really deceptive in my books, or is maybe self-deception.

To expand a bit, IMHO, for saying the creed(s) to be "deceptive" would mean doing it in order to appear Christian, so maybe reciting it as part of joining a church or on a regular basis in a church where they really did not believe but joined for social status or something. If they just happen to be at a service and go with flow, that wouldn't be deceptive in my books.

Also IMHO, people saying creeds they did/do not 100% believe in (many people believe in the broad strokes but not all the details) is fairly common and probably always has been. There was a time where not saying the creeds put you at risk no matter what you actually believed. And doing it to cover your ass is actually a legitimate deception in my books. That's behind us, though, at least in most of the Western world.

 

[Luce NDs]

People doing stuff by rote just to feel part of the ritual is not really deceptive in my books, or is maybe self-deception. I won't say the creeds anymore myself and was not fully in agreement with those two to start with. The UCCan's New Creed fit better with my understanding of things.

How do you respond to those creeds, @unsafe? Neither is really 100% biblical, more a reflection of a period in the church's history. The Nicene in particular is very much a product of the organized, human church that you always seem down on.

Repetition of fixed presentation can refresh questions in some minds while inducing a deadness or rest in others as they tent towards the great rest ...

Imagine reading a myth to a child before sleep ... impressions, dreams!!! The soul is an ode thing ...

 

[Luce NDs]

To expand a bit, IMHO, for saying the creed(s) to be "deceptive" would mean doing it in order to appear Christian, so maybe reciting it as part of joining a church or on a regular basis in a church where they really did not believe but joined for social status or something. If they just happen to be at a service and go with flow, that wouldn't be deceptive in my books.

Also IMHO, people saying creeds they did/do not 100% believe in (many people believe in the broad strokes but not all the details) is fairly common and probably always has been. There was a time where not saying the creeds put you at risk no matter what you actually believed. And doing it to cover your ass is actually a legitimate deception in my books. That's behind us, though, at least in most of the Western world.

Kind of like swearing an oath of allegiance ...