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Jaebius

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As we all know, Canada and America are currently in a trade war. Since such is the case, in my honest opinion, no Canadian should be buying U.S. goods or shopping at U.S. stores, restaurants, etcetera. Let's talk about shopping Canadian

To start the conversation, here are some Canadian stores to shop at instead of Wal-Mart and Costco...

  • Giant Tiger
  • Canadian Tire
  • London Drugs
  • Real Canadian Superstore
  • Loblaws
  • No Frills
  • Sobeys
  • FreshCo
  • Foodland
  • Save-On-Foods
  • Buy-Low Foods
  • Metro
  • Food Basics
  • Home Hardware
  • Dollarama
 
Hi Jae

I've been deep into this since the tariff's went into place, well, and since the whole 51st state stuff blew up.


It isn't black & white.

Walmart, for example, sells Canadian products, employs Canadians and pays taxes.

There is privilege in being able to pay a premium for small-lot productions in the grocery store aisle, or the shop we go into.

For me, I'm doing my best.

We're trying to support Canadian makers and businesses.

We support our friends who work at Canadian plants or businesses owned by American firms, and hope that they will still have jobs next year.
 
Rita reallllly doesn't like Mark. That's the gist of it.

Canada has awarded $25B in contracts since Mark took over, and $22.4B went to Canadian companies. $1.2B went to American companies. The Canadian companies are, in some cases, subsidiaries of American companies.


When you factor that in, the US figure swells to $7.8B to American-controlled companies.

I would expect Canada doesn't make everything we need. I would prefer buying from other countries before the US. But perhaps this is not possible right away.

Right-wing groups are seizing on these numbers to paint Carney as hypocritical. They aren't saying how they would have spent the money differently.

And if it's a right-wing talking point, Rita will find a way to introduce it here.
 
Walmart, for example, sells Canadian products, employs Canadians and pays taxes.
And a lot of those Canadian stores that Jaebius lists sell a lot of imported American products. It's not the store the determines the origin of the goods, it's the supply chain. And, frankly, there's a lot of goods that are available no other way than importing across the border. Our fruit and vegetable supply would be pretty limited outside of June-September if not for imports and a chunk of those inevitably come from the US. Or, for a commercial example, my company gets a lot of our medical equipment from US sources, either directly or through Canadian distributors. There's just no Canadian companies making this stuff. When we have non-US sources, they are still often not Canadian (I know we are investigating a Chinese source for some piece of equipment).
WhyCzar has a bee in their bonnet about our PM. It comes up in political threads a lot. Not really relevant here, though I imagine there's some article somewhere about Carney buying stuff in the US or from the US.
 
WhyCzar has a bee in their bonnet about our PM. It comes up in political threads a lot. Not really relevant here, though I imagine there's some article somewhere about Carney buying stuff in the US or from the US.
Are his personal investments relevant here?
 
Hi Jae

I've been deep into this since the tariff's went into place, well, and since the whole 51st state stuff blew up.
Same.
It isn't black & white.

Walmart, for example, sells Canadian products, employs Canadians and pays taxes.
Canadian retailers do same.
There is privilege in being able to pay a premium for small-lot productions in the grocery store aisle, or the shop we go into.

For me, I'm doing my best.

We're trying to support Canadian makers and businesses.

We support our friends who work at Canadian plants or businesses owned by American firms, and hope that they will still have jobs next year.
Why shouldn't Canadians, Jayne, rather support their friends who work at Canadian plants or businesses owned by Canadians? In my opinion they should. Those workers need their jobs too.

Personally, my position's clear. I back it up by never going to any American retailers, restaurants, etcetera, and by never purchasing American products
 
With offshore investment being fully open ... who do we know what owns who or when, or how it'll come to us ... the end I mean! Cest Fini? non ...
 
Same.

Canadian retailers do same.

Why shouldn't Canadians, Jayne, rather support their friends who work at Canadian plants or businesses owned by Canadians? In my opinion they should. Those workers need their jobs too.

Personally, my position's clear. I back it up by never going to any American retailers, restaurants, etcetera, and by never purchasing American products
@Jaebius

It could be because I grew up in a city that had a book written about it, Galt, U.S.A.: The “American Presence” in a Canadian City, by Robert L. Perry, published by Maclean-Hunter/The Financial Post around 1971–72.

I worked for a company that was the largest privately owned company in the US prior to being purchased by a corporation, and going through various changes / amalgamations.

With the changes in tariff (Nafta, then cusma), our economies became more integrated. Parts moved back & forth in various forms -- hardware, light assemblies, bigger products. Some were finished & packaged close to their targets. Companies looked at labour rates. The dollar being less than the US dollar helped us, but, our systems of wanting pensions, benefits and health care put burdens in.

For years, we have watched corporations figure out where in the world was the most logical financially to make their products.

So, employing Canadians, getting decent benefits mattered -- and yes, I bought Lays Chips, as they were made down the highway from us. SC Johnson is in Brantford.

Shopping was the same. Costco & Walmart employ Canadians in all forms from floor to logistics.

Netflix makes movie in Canada under Netflix Canada.

It isn't straightforward that one should just buy Canadian.

When sourcing items, its about moving the needle.
Absolutely avoid the American owned, American produced products. (Though there is privilege involved in that, if it is the lowest cost product with reasonable quality)

We know that we are moving that needle.
Small manufacturers tell us that they have had to increase production -- they have a market.
Some stores that previously carried small batch products no longer can get them, as larger stores with bigger buying power are getting the production.

I am unsure where all this will take us. Hopefully with more products made in Canada.

Remember that company that I said that I worked for -- it did very well in the tar sands project -- lots of their products went in. Now, though, they are building a big plant near the head office. Trump's cronies were there recently as part of the G20. I wonder, when I see that, how much longer the Canadian manufcturing will exist.

I hope that whatever purchase orders are made have teeth to ensure that the company retains canadian presence in mfg.
 
Are you using any level of U.S. technology to post this and make that position clear?
LOL. That's hard to avoid with Windows, Android, and Mac all being US products along with their associated browsers (Edge, Chrome, Safari). Even Firefox, while it is on an open sourced base, the Mozilla Foundation is headquartered in the US, I think. Linux kind of depends your distro but many of them are multinational in terms of their teams as is the kernal (creator Linux Torvalds is a Finn though he lives in the US and got citizenship in 2010). I use Mint which is a multinational decentralized team led by a French developer with Firefox as my main personal browser (but I'm at work now and use Windows with Edge there).

Xenforo, the software that powers this site, is UK-based commercial software with staff (not many, maybe 12-15) in multiple countries (they work remote a lot) and our hosting runs on open source platforms for OS (Linux), database (MariaDB), and web server (forget if we are Apache or nginx since Crocweb's last major overhaul).

So there's US technology in there but how much depends on what the end user is using.

Oh, the DirectAdmin software that I use to manage the site is Canadian commercial software, made by an Edmonton firm.
 
LOL. That's hard to avoid with Windows, Android, and Mac all being US products along with their associated browsers (Edge, Chrome, Safari). Even Firefox, while it is on an open sourced base, the Mozilla Foundation is headquartered in the US, I think. Linux kind of depends your distro but many of them are multinational in terms of their teams as is the kernal (creator Linux Torvalds is a Finn though he lives in the US and got citizenship in 2010). I use Mint which is a multinational decentralized team led by a French developer with Firefox as my main personal browser (but I'm at work now and use Windows with Edge there).

Xenforo, the software that powers this site, is UK-based commercial software with staff (not many, maybe 12-15) in multiple countries (they work remote a lot) and our hosting runs on open source platforms for OS (Linux), database (MariaDB), and web server (forget if we are Apache or nginx since Crocweb's last major overhaul).

So there's US technology in there but how much depends on what the end user is using.

Oh, the DirectAdmin software that I use to manage the site is Canadian commercial software, made by an Edmonton firm.

Now is that simple?
 
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