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KayTheCurler said:
He can call that lake whatrever he wants. Just demonstrates his ignorance.
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It's not so much the proposed renaming that bugs me. It's that it's part of a tit for tat he's got going with Doug Ford, our premier. Surely both men have something better to do with their time than snipe at each other.
 
He believes he 's all American ... because he doesn't know where he comes from and thus a lot of what he projects is misinformation ...

If you name something after you ... at one time it was yours. Times change in a dark unknown way that seems deliberate ... even determinate as the night ... it can give you visions of something deeper and darker ... previously unseen? 4 sights ... and mores!
 
Aside from all the theatrical BS there could be a silver lining for Canada coming out of the trade spat.

By shutting the American door, and wrapping himself in the Maple-Leaf flag, Carney has now made it much harder for the various groups (Greens, First Nations, New Democratic Party local governments…) who have so far stood in the way of the required infrastructure, to keep blocking the pipelines, railroads and LNG terminals that will, in time allow Canadian producers to reap higher rewards. Essentially, Mark Carney can now steamroll anyone standing in the way of the much-needed infrastructure roll-out with the “patriotic card.” If he manages to do so, Carney could still go down as a consequential Canadian prime minister. If he does not, then the combination of the lack of Canadian infrastructure roll-out and the breakdown of the relationship with the US would leave Canada in tough economic binds. High stakes ...
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Source: The Investment Consequences Of The US-Canada Trade Spat - Gavekal Research
 
Not sure much effort is needed there for the Greens and NDP. Both are basically rump parties right now and the Greens are going into a leadership vote. The Liberals likely are barely even giving them notice.

The indigenous nations are going to bemuch tougher but we have already seen indigenous groups agree to projects that give them a say in things and include a revenue sharing component. So it's more about negotiating a mutually beneficial agreement to move things forward than treating them as a blocker.

Non-indigenous environmentalists are probably the biggest obstacle now but they aren't as big in number as the workers who will benefit from these projects so their power to act will be limited.

Frankly, barring the Conservatives actually getting a better leader and some policies that appeal to the mainstream (and sidelining their far right as much as possible), Carney is probably looking at a second term just due to a lack of serious political opposition. Only the Bloc might be an obstacle and they can't form a government given they control, at most, one province.
 
WhyCzar said:
And Carney doesn't actually have to do anything to actually improve Canada in any way to get it.

The economy is worse now than it was under Trudeau, but at least he is not Pierre Eh?
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And a lot of PMs who were "good economic stewards" actually just benefited from good market and trade conditions, not their own alleged prowess. In some cases, those conditions were actually the result of their predecessors' work. In the end, the government has less to do with the economy in the short term than most give it credit or blame for, esp. in the globalization era (which is not going to end just because of Trump's antics). It's role is more to mitigate economic turbulence and provide support to individuals and businesses. It can't really shift the economy all that directly. Even trade agreements like NAFTA and CUSMA are more in the mitigation category though they can have longterm impact given the right conditions.
 
Mendalla said:
provide support to individuals and businesses.
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All paid for by the taxpayers:
Impacted by the U.S. Tariffs - not the Canadian counter tariffs?
In addition, to support Canadian workers and businesses impacted by U.S. tariffs, the government is also introducing a $7.5 billion package of new and enhanced measures that deliver fast, simple and agile supports to Canadian workers and businesses, building on the nearly $25 billion in supports the government has provided since the implementation of the U.S. unjustified tariffs.
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Canada announces targeted countermeasures and substantive support for workers and businesses in response to U.S. tariffs - Canada.ca

Following the U.S. decision to impose a 50 per cent tariff on $27.6 billion of Canadian goods effective August 22, Minister Champagne confirmed today that Canada will match the new U.S. tariffs dollar for dollar, rate for rate, with additional Canadian tariffs on U.S. goods.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
 
Humanity has a unconscious desire to do away with large portions of its systems for logic unknown ... an unseen obscure mine 'd!

Resembles a hole in the ground of matter ... rapture? Thus we goes ... somewhere unknown! No choice ... we compiled out selves ... into compulsion

The search for energy has reached a frenzy that will bring all to a stillness ... where we shall be still and all that follows ... abstract quiet? Because we cannot share it is the law ... of individualism and thus lysis ... cell dividers ... to each their own for a bit ... some chill, go north ... the descent of everything ... something has to float ... the flakes? What if there is something to eM?
 
Well, that, too. But that goes back to the "press freedom" discussion, doesn't it? Though it seems that "if it bleeds, it leads" has now been replaced with "if it whines and rants, it leads." :rolleyes:

Changing the name of Lake Ontario could be quite a battle if the President really tries it. The name is derived from the Wendat indigenous nation's word meaning "Great Lake" and goes back centuries. The Iroquois nations had a different name but nothing like "America" for sure. So he's up against probably 400 or more years of history here. My bet is, he tries but only US government maps ever acknowledge it and it gets changed back even for them as soon as he is gone. Here, we will just carry on carrying on with the proper name.
 
Mendalla said:
Well, that, too. But that goes back to the "press freedom" discussion, doesn't it? Though it seems that "if it bleeds, it leads" has now been replaced with "if it whines and rants, it leads." :rolleyes:

Changing the name of Lake Ontario could be quite a battle if the President really tries it. The name is derived from the Wendat indigenous nation's word meaning "Great Lake" and goes back centuries. The Iroquois nations had a different name but nothing like "America" for sure. So he's up against probably 400 or more years of history here. My bet is, he tries but only US government maps ever acknowledge it and it gets changed back even for them as soon as he is gone. Here, we will just carry on carrying on with the proper name.
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I am personally in favour of "Lake Obama Is Superior"
 
I'm personally in favour of just leaving the Great Lakes well enough alone. I mean, I suppose reverting to the indigenous names for all of them wouldn't be bad but otherwise, they are perfectly serviceable names. The Americans can do what they like with Lake Michigan, I guess, since it is entirely within their borders.
 
"What's in a name?
That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title."​
 
There are jokes about Canada referring to Michigan as "Lake Epstein" or if you look at the shape of it, "Lake Flaccid".
 
If you follow the money:

In short, on the core restoration and protection investments for the shared freshwater system that includes Lake Ontario, U.S. federal spending has been and remains significantly higher in both cumulative totals over the past 10–15 years and typical annual scale.
 
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