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Really !!!!!!! ---------OH MY LAND !That would make the whole Bible a big fat FARCE -----in my view ----The writer telling Jesus what to say -------HOLY COW !!!!!!!-----
Do you Preach that to your congregation ? ---WOW !
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Really !!!!!!! ---------OH MY LAND !That would make the whole Bible a big fat FARCE -----in my view ----The writer telling Jesus what to say -------HOLY COW !!!!!!!-----
Do you Preach that to your congregation ? ---WOW !
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Does scripture say somewhere that God chose the twelve disciples? I would like to look at the reference if there is one.
Does Jesus make any decisions on his own, do you think? My impression has always been that Jesus seeks to do God's will but he still has agency. In other words, he is not just God's puppet on a string.
I was taught that Jesus was fully divine and fully human. Humans make decisions, right?
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As I see it, this does not rule out independence of thought.
Yes I mentioned this in my earlier post.
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paradox3 ---Jesus always prays to His Father ---before He does His Will -----
Now if you want to believe that jesus makes all his own decisions that is your right ----
The Scripture says very plainly that Jesus does nothing on His own -----He didn't come to exercise His Humans desires or His own Will ----He came to listen to what His Father wanted Him to do and say ----
John 8:28
So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.John 5:30
“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.Jesus would have conferred with His Father about the 12 and Jesus would have called who the Father told Him to call ------that is what I believe ----
You can believe differently but Scripture clearly says what it says ----
Did Judas listen to the father too? Was he told to betray Jesus so God could have him hung on the cross?
Why would Jesus call Judas the devil then?
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I give you this ----
AI
Yes, in Christian theology, Judas Iscariot's actions, including his betrayal of Jesus, are seen as part of God's plan for the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies.
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Does AI understand there is no one single "Christian theology"?
Some Christians believe this. Some Christians believe that. Always the best way to look at theological questions.
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But here is the thing not all who believe this and that are real Christians ------they are just using the word Christian cause it sounds nice -----there is always a Rhema word behind every scripture and only Real Christians can get that Rhema word --cause it comes from the indwelling Holy Spirit ----not from ourselves ----
this is so evident in John -----Spiritual understanding is NIL most often -----cause their hearts are still hardened and their minds are seared and their eyes are veiled as to the Spiritual understanding -----it is called Spiritual blindness
Until we accept God's Drawing our Spiritual understanding is Veiled by God -----
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In Christianity, the phrase "God's veil covers us" typically refers to a spiritual blindness or misunderstanding that prevents people from fully understanding the truth of the Gospel.
This veil is symbolically removed through faith in Christ, allowing individuals to experience God's glory and salvation. The concept is rooted in biblical imagery, particularly in 2 Corinthians 3:14-16, where the veil symbolizes the spiritual separation from God caused by sin and unbelief.
And yet God doesn't believe in sacrifice....perhaps it's all on Judas?
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Given referring to Jesus' followers as Christians was not even a "Christian" term to start with but how they were tagged by the pre-Christian Romans, not sure that you can actually define a "real Christian" using belief or doctrine. It simply meant people who professed to follow "Christ" and didn't discriminate beyond that. So I would say anyone professing a belief in Christ in some form is entitled to it and dividing them into "true" and "false" Christians is a matter of opinion.
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this word Christ-----ians --you see Christ in the word -----was actually first meant for Believers in Christ -----you were not just a follower but a True believer in Christ ---had His Faith ---adhered to His Word and obeyed it -----
Now Christian means nothing in my view -----any one can say they follow Christ but that means nothing ----the 12 Disciples Followed Jesus but they didn't have Christ in them yet ---
Without Christ in you you are just ---the last 3 letters ----IAN ----
What is the meaning of the term Christian? | GotQuestions.org
What is the meaning of the term Christian? What is the origin of the word Christian? Was “Christian” originally a derogatory name?
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Believers in Christ came to be called “Christians” during a time of rapid expansion in the church. Persecution had forced many believers from Jerusalem, and they scattered to various areas, taking the gospel with them.
I say -----Personally myself -----I dislike the word Christian and Christianity ---and all Religions ---as all are Man made up terms -----
Jesus said ===Follow My WAY ----Jesus is the Way ---the Truth and the Life and that is who Born Again Holy Spirit indwelled people should be following -----Not Man made Religions and Terms -----
Unfortunately the word Christ--ian stuck-----and that is the term we use today -----so your are either a True Born Again Christian or your a unbeliever using the word Christian ---which makes you a False Christian in the Spiritual sense it was meant to be uses ----
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If you read your Scripture rightly ---God didn't say He doesn't believe in Sacrifices Waterfall
1 Samuel 15:22
And Samuel said, “Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to listen than the fat of rams.Proverbs 21:3
To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.I say -------God never said He didn't believe in sacrifices as God implemented Sacrifices -----so He Believed in sacrifices but He preferred --obedience and adherence to His commands -----which the Israelites did not do ---
If God didn't believe in sacrifices and He implemented them -----than that would make God a Liar -----that makes no sense -----
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Sorry just saw the last part of this ----what does Judas here have to do with Sacrifices ----Judas was actually Possessed by Satan ---and God allowed that so that His plan would play out ---Judas died from his own Guilt on turning Jesus in ------he hung himself ------
Judas was already evil --He was a thief before he was called to be a Disciple
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- Satan's Influence:
While Satan is described as entering Judas, the narrative suggests this happens after Judas has already made the decision to betray Jesus. Satan is portrayed as encouraging Judas in his betrayal and leading him to despair.
Jesus chose the 12 disciples. Jesus is God. So...
You said Judas betrayal was part of God's plan and used Judas to do it....so was it God's plan to use the devil too?
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Was thinking something quite similar myself.
To me Jesus laid down his life willingly....no one forced him to. God didnt sacrifice Jesus. Jesus tells us of his authority in John 10:18 to choose.
God also tells us in the OT He forbids human sacrifice.....unless God changed in the NT.
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Judas was part of God's plan ----Judas had an evil heart and Judas allowed Satan to enter himself
Maybe this will help you
What does “Satan entered into him” mean regarding Judas in John 13:27?
What does “Satan entered into him” mean regarding Judas in John 13:27? | GotQuestions.org
What does “Satan entered into him” mean regarding Judas? What is the meaning of John 13:27?
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In the broader biblical context, Judas’ betrayal fulfills Old Testament prophecy: “Even my close friend, someone I trusted, one who shared my bread, has turned against me” (Psalm 41:9; cf. John 13:18).
Although God sovereignly orchestrated the events leading to Judas’ betrayal,
Judas remains morally responsible for his vile and horrifying actions: “Satan could not have entered into him had he not granted him admission. Had he been willing to say ‘No’ to the adversary, all of his Master’s intercessory power was available to him there and then to strengthen him”
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Quote the scripture that says that =====and lets have a look at it