Trans-women in women's sports

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The best way to categorize people doesn't involve gender at all - like, How much can you lift? How fast can you go?
Making a category illegal or hate crime worthy isn't the way to do it

The world is large enough and there are enough sporting events that people can compete in the categories that they agree on, without needing to criminally charge or whatever

People like competition

People like breaking things up into categories

It is what we do
 
Gender assigned at birth is a totally bogus beginning. It consists of an observation of an infant penis or vulva, which is usually clear enough to make a preliminary "decision" but not a very accurate assignation.

There are endless combinations of primary sex indicators, secondary sex indicators, hormones, brain structure, at least a dozen atypical chromosome combos. Two genders is a very government approach to the problem.

Hey, as a strong man would Mystic like to get into such complexity and sophistication? He has completely missed the message in the old texts about what strength gives to the lessor ... those selling out the gentile parts ... a market that people dive for ... thus the mean dunking in Celtic lands ...

Tough linguistics ... but it is all in the word(s) sec taint and all shades of stuff ... not justy black and white ... Hua's Guy takes a loess ... clay pidgin goes down ...
 
Making a category illegal or hate crime worthy isn't the way to do it

The world is large enough and there are enough sporting events that people can compete in the categories that they agree on, without needing to criminally charge or whatever

People like competition

People like breaking things up into categories

It is what we do

And when people break down their essence spread ... good, bad, ugly and butte ... the butte often going down first because of the chair'n ... charred?
 
Thing is even straight women have a hard time getting into predominately male sports, like the NBA, NHL etc......
So there is a heavy bias to begin with, especially where women could be considered. Transgendered on top of that....double whammy.
Well, there would be, those women are trying to enter a male sport. A trans woman avoids that issue by identifying as female. I didn’t mention women who transition to male because that doesn’t seem to be happening much, and if it is, they are often considered too weak or fragile for many male sports. I don’t see bias here, just the reality of physical differences. Sorry.
 
Well, there would be, those women are trying to enter a male sport. A trans woman avoids that issue by identifying as female. I didn’t mention women who transition to male because that doesn’t seem to be happening much, and if it is, they are often considered too weak or fragile for many male sports. I don’t see bias here, just the reality of physical differences. Sorry.
Have to disagree, many women could play hockey on a mixed team.. especially if they were allowed the same training from the get go and they had the love and drive for the game. eg hockey, basketball, tennis
Sometimes it's not always strength but agility amongst other things.
 
Have to disagree, many women could play hockey on a mixed team.. especially if they were allowed the same training from the get go and they had the love and drive for the game. eg hockey, basketball, tennis
Sometimes it's not always strength but agility amongst other things.
Did you actually read my OP. it's states I quote "a few unisex ones like darts, snooker, or pool, where physical differences don't matter as much." There are may sports that can be played by both sexes, I never said there wasn't. You have the argument to yourself sorry.
 
Did you actually read my OP. it's states I quote "a few unisex ones like darts, snooker, or pool, where physical differences don't matter as much." There are may sports that can be played by both sexes, I never said there wasn't. You have the argument to yourself sorry.
Well we will never know as girls are not allowed.
 
Have to disagree, many women could play hockey on a mixed team.. especially if they were allowed the same training from the get go and they had the love and drive for the game. eg hockey, basketball, tenni
Men enjoy social events with mixed teams like softball, soccer, flag football, where the goal is just to have f un.
But the danger to a woman's wellbeing--not just her lack of speed and strength--would prevent her from being accepted on any professional hockey team.
Hockey is a violent sport.
 
Well we will never know as girls are not allowed.
Not allowed in what way? Could you clarify? I think there's a misunderstanding here.
Women aren't categorically barred from competing with men in most sports, there are numerous examples of mixed competitions and women participating in traditionally male leagues.
The reason many sports have separate divisions is due to biological differences that impact competitive fairness. Factors like muscle mass, bone density, and height can create advantages in certain sports, which is why these divisions exist, not to exclude women, but to ensure a level playing field.
However, in sports like darts, snooker, and pool, where physical attributes have little effect on performance, mixed competitions are more common.
My point is about maintaining fairness in competition, not imposing arbitrary restrictions on participation. Ensuring fair competition isn't about exclusion but about recognizing differences where they matter.
This isn't about excluding anyone but recognizing that, in some sports, physical attributes play a role in competitive balance, just as different classifications exist in other areas of competition to ensure fairness. Hence why we have a Paralympics because some people aren't physically as strong as others are.
 
Naame one track and field event where women are competitive with best men's records.
Only just close, Usain Bolt Jamaica, fastest male runner in the world, 9.58 sec in 2009

Florence Griffith-Joyner, 10.49 sec in 1988. Fastest women runner ever in the world.

Women usually outperform men in ultra shooting, gymnastics, figure skating, long distance running,.....
 
Only just close, Usain Bolt Jamaica, fastest male runner in the world, 9.58 sec in 2009

Florence Griffith-Joyner, 10.49 sec in 1988. Fastest women runner ever in the world.

Races in the 100 meter dash are usually won by hundredths of a second. So by that standard, Flojo's time gap with Bolt is huge.
Women usually outperform men in ... distance running,.....
Uh, name evEn one female long-distance runner who has beaten the time of the male record holder AT ANY DISTANCE.
 
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Races in the 100 meter dash are usually won by hundredths of a second. So by that standard, Flojo's time gap with Bolt is huge.

Uh, name evEn one female long-distance runner who has beaten the time of the male record holder AT ANY DISTANCE.
Jasmine Paris; Pamela Reed
 
High jump :unsure:
Not even close!
"The current world record for men's high jump is 2.45 meters, set by Cuba's Javier Sotomayor in 1993. The Olympic record for men's high jump is 2.39 meters, set by the U.S.' Charles Austin in 1996.The current world record for women's high jump is 2.09 meters, set by Bulgaria's Stefka Kostadinova in 1987. The Olympic record for women's high jump is 2.06 meters, set by Yelena Slesarenko in 2004."
 
Not even close!
"The current world record for men's high jump is 2.45 meters, set by Cuba's Javier Sotomayor in 1993. The Olympic record for men's high jump is 2.39 meters, set by the U.S.' Charles Austin in 1996.The current world record for women's high jump is 2.09 meters, set by Bulgaria's Stefka Kostadinova in 1987. The Olympic record for women's high jump is 2.06 meters, set by Yelena Slesarenko in 2004."
Am missing how 2.09 meters isn't close to 2.45 meters :unsure:
 
Well I'll let you carry on.....I'm not a real sports fan anyway....


Bobby Riggs had been one of the world's top tennis players in the 1940s. in 1973, he opined that the female game was inferior and that even at his current advanced age of 55 he could still beat any of the top female players.

In what was billed as "The Battle of the Sexes" the women's top=ranked player, Margaret Court, stepped in, accepting the guarantee of $20,000 for the match, more than she had earned for winning both the 1973 Australian and French Open women's singles titles. Televised by CBS, the match was held on Mother's Day in Ramona, California.before 5,000 spectators.

Riggs descended the stadium steps and presented Court with Mother's Day flowers, which she accepted while curtsying. The creaky kneed Riggs used his drop shots and lobs to keep Court off balance. His quick victory (6–2, 6–1) landed Riggs on the cover of both Sports Illustrated and Time Magazine. This match would thus be dubbed the "Mother's Day Massacre" due to the drubbing.

An aging Riggs would later be defeated by another top women's tennis player, Billy Jean King. But the fact that an aging male player who had been out of competitive tennis for about 30 years could easily defeat the t op ranked female player illustrated that the top female tennis players were not even close to being equal to the top male tennis players in their prime.

 
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