Another Hypothetical Question. Thank you Waterfall. (posted here. because it is in regard to morality.)

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Sometimes when people post up a great hypothetical question it makes my brain go into hyperactivity mode. So I start to play with the thoughts so here is another hypothetical to follow on in a small way from Waterfalls post.
If you spent £10,000 a day it would take you 9 months (274 days) to spend one million.
If you did the same for one billion it would take you 274 years.
Now if all people had at their disposal 10 million each just so they could live comfortably, 10 million is the optimum amount for a comfortable life, so it is more than enough.
From birth until say death at 80, withdrawing approximately £100,000 annually, and earning 4% interest, you'd still leave behind around £100 million, thanks to compounding growth over such a long time.
To put this in even starker perspective: £10 million invested conservatively could generate £400,000 per year in passive income - four times what a comfortable lifestyle requires. This means the excess wealth beyond £10 million is purely accumulation for accumulation's sake. The fact that many billionaires have hundreds or even thousands of times this amount while others struggle to eat is a moral failure of our economic system.
The brutal reality is that no individual needs or can reasonably use wealth beyond this level. Every pound beyond £10 million represents resources that could lift others out of poverty, fund medical research, or solve pressing global challenges. The choice to hoard wealth beyond any conceivable need, while millions suffer in poverty, reveals a profound moral bankruptcy.
Anybody who has excess of 10 million is a greedy cruel and callous person not worthy of any praise whatsoever. I personally have nothing but disdain for anybody like that. Their legacy will be one of choosing personal excess over human welfare.

How can we, as a society, rectify this moral dilemma that allows such extreme wealth hoarding to continue while millions suffer in poverty?

An addendum:
One concrete step would be to radically reform our tax systems - not just tweaking rates but fundamentally restructuring how we tax wealth. Currently, most tax systems focus heavily on income while allowing accumulated wealth to grow virtually untouched through various loopholes and preferential treatment of capital gains.
We could implement a progressive wealth tax that kicks in at that £10 million threshold we identified. This wouldn't be about punitive confiscation, but rather recognizing that wealth beyond this level is essentially surplus to any reasonable individual need. The revenue could fund universal basic services, education, and healthcare - effectively recycling extreme wealth back into society for common benefit.

But tax reform alone isn't enough - we need to address the cultural narratives that celebrate billionaires as aspirational figures rather than symptoms of systemic failure. As long as extreme wealth accumulation is seen as a laudable achievement rather than a moral failing, meaningful change will be difficult. We need to shift the conversation from 'how to get rich' to 'how to create a society where everyone has enough.'"
 
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Sometimes when people post up a great hypothetical question it makes my brain go into hyperactivity mode. So I start to play with the thoughts so here is another hypothetical to follow on in a small way from Waterfalls post.
If you spent £10,000 a day it would take you 9 months (274 days) to spend one million.
If you did the same for one billion it would take you 274 years.
Now if all people had at their disposal 10 million each just so they could live comfortably, 10 million is the optimum amount for a comfortable life, so it is more than enough.
From birth until say death at 80, withdrawing approximately £100,000 annually, and earning 4% interest, you'd still leave behind around £100 million, thanks to compounding growth over such a long time.
To put this in even starker perspective: £10 million invested conservatively could generate £400,000 per year in passive income - four times what a comfortable lifestyle requires. This means the excess wealth beyond £10 million is purely accumulation for accumulation's sake. The fact that many billionaires have hundreds or even thousands of times this amount while others struggle to eat is a moral failure of our economic system.
The brutal reality is that no individual needs or can reasonably use wealth beyond this level. Every pound beyond £10 million represents resources that could lift others out of poverty, fund medical research, or solve pressing global challenges. The choice to hoard wealth beyond any conceivable need, while millions suffer in poverty, reveals a profound moral bankruptcy.
Anybody who has excess of 10 million is a greedy cruel and callous person not worthy of any praise whatsoever. I personally have nothing but disdain for anybody like that. Their legacy will be one of choosing personal excess over human welfare.

How can we, as a society, rectify this moral dilemma that allows such extreme wealth hoarding to continue while millions suffer in poverty?

An addendum:
One concrete step would be to radically reform our tax systems - not just tweaking rates but fundamentally restructuring how we tax wealth. Currently, most tax systems focus heavily on income while allowing accumulated wealth to grow virtually untouched through various loopholes and preferential treatment of capital gains.
We could implement a progressive wealth tax that kicks in at that £10 million threshold we identified. This wouldn't be about punitive confiscation, but rather recognizing that wealth beyond this level is essentially surplus to any reasonable individual need. The revenue could fund universal basic services, education, and healthcare - effectively recycling extreme wealth back into society for common benefit.

As consequence I will not tell totalitarian authorities much they can understand ... self preservation ... literary device ... so the myth carries well ...
But tax reform alone isn't enough - we need to address the cultural narratives that celebrate billionaires as aspirational figures rather than symptoms of systemic failure. As long as extreme wealth accumulation is seen as a laudable achievement rather than a moral failing, meaningful change will be difficult. We need to shift the conversation from 'how to get rich' to 'how to create a society where everyone has enough.'"

Sounds very complex for those that simply wish more and more because they cannot be sated due to dislike of sat ion ... a quality posed on emotional soles ... in pedology just for the kicks ... as donkeys can keep out the wolves ... there are stories that they herded mid eastern sheep ... in the UK they tell me something that hounded the wolves was a working dog ... marketplace bull? That's the main beef ... about parables, metaphor and allegories used to hide info from the dumber ... if only they could read into eit ... I left out the "gh" on purpose as it is a sign of mute! No 'eight to consider ... while poles are excessively hateful ... because of the sticking ... mit the bother and troubles the've caused with their bleating ... get "with" eit ... miteid? Ayre gently ...
 
If every pound/dollar acquired via any means, over the X million whatever currency, were taxed at 100 per cent, it would certainly disincentivize dragon-like wealth hoarding.

And stop the wasteful expenditure of folk trying to escape to nowhere but out there ... us fringe folk don't really feel comfortable about the gases their fireworks present ... all this below what is vacuous ... but they don't believe because of the flat conspiracy ... so why go there? All in jest due to the mule?

Ballem ... in little balls like the rabbi drops to teach the ones that don't know enough to swallow eM! Bun butts eh?
 
I was pondering this greed question again. Here are a few instances of how much a billion is.
A billion seconds ago it was 1994.
A billion minutes ago Emperor Hadrian traveled the world.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
A billion days ago Homo Hablis walked the earth the first to use tools.
 
Is paranoia a type of amorphous social condition that creeps as sort of tacky? Kind of like snot or political slime power?

This sometimes acts like algae ... allowing pathogenic bacilli to grow underneath it ... and thus intellect slips away ... kind of like ROUND-UP at the Oaky corral ... pure nutz to impose this on one's elf ... thus I express what I say in coded form ... cause the powers hate concise exposé ...

There's mores ...
 
I was pondering this greed question again. Here are a few instances of how much a billion is.
A billion seconds ago it was 1994.
A billion minutes ago Emperor Hadrian traveled the world.
A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
A billion days ago Homo Hablis walked the earth the first to use tools.
This is hard to even fathom! Wow. How long did it take you to do that math?

Would the Earth even have been formed yet if we counted back Elon’s wealth as time?
 
Given that it's estimated at 394.2 billion.
In years neither Earth nor the universe as we know it existed. It would be even before time began.
In days Earth was in Mid-Proterozoic Era. and the first eukaryotic cells had evolved
In hours the Earth was in Eocene Epoch of the Paleogene Era and early primates were evolving into more modern forms.
In minutes the Earth was in Pleistocene Epoch ( the discovery fire) early Humans( homo heidelbergensis) and Neanderthals were emerging with sabre-tooth tigers.
And in seconds the Earth was at the end of Ice Age and Humans were hunter-gatherers and early farming societies. the oldest temple Göbekli Tepe was built.
So a good statement to say is Elon Musk the ultimate greedmeister has "More money than time."
 
Given that it's estimated at 394.2 billion.
In years neither Earth nor the universe as we know it existed. It would be even before time began.
In days Earth was in Mid-Proterozoic Era. and the first eukaryotic cells had evolved
In hours the Earth was in Eocene Epoch of the Paleogene Era and early primates were evolving into more modern forms.
In minutes the Earth was in Pleistocene Epoch ( the discovery fire) early Humans( homo heidelbergensis) and Neanderthals were emerging with sabre-tooth tigers.
And in seconds the Earth was at the end of Ice Age and Humans were hunter-gatherers and early farming societies. the oldest temple Göbekli Tepe was built.
So a good statement to say is Elon Musk the ultimate greedmeister has "More money than time."
Yet he could lose it all, and still have time.
 
pavlos maros said:
How can we, as a society, rectify this moral dilemma that allows such extreme wealth hoarding to continue while millions suffer in poverty?
That is a good question
Rife with possibilities
One that will have to take into account those who need help
And then of course how to deal with the vested interests who have all this extreme wealth? What will that involve? Will it by necessity involve some kind or coercion/force?
Isn't this essentially what all these variations going on right now in the world, of "Davos/UN/FAUCI/Evil Aliens/Ancient Families/", of one group holdin too much power over another?
One of my litmus tests as to how a civ is doing is how it treats its lowest groups...
Has there ever been a civ who has successfully dealt with income inequality?
I remember the Dalai Lama mentioning that he has his compassion practices through intense intentional training and that he envisions a time when kids will be able to do that more automatically
Can we as a globe continue to exist in this way? Of seemingly autononous countries acting anarchistically with each other

Can communism ever work?
Can socialism?
Can capitalism?
 
Given that it's estimated at 394.2 billion.
In years neither Earth nor the universe as we know it existed. It would be even before time began.
In days Earth was in Mid-Proterozoic Era. and the first eukaryotic cells had evolved
In hours the Earth was in Eocene Epoch of the Paleogene Era and early primates were evolving into more modern forms.
In minutes the Earth was in Pleistocene Epoch ( the discovery fire) early Humans( homo heidelbergensis) and Neanderthals were emerging with sabre-tooth tigers.
And in seconds the Earth was at the end of Ice Age and Humans were hunter-gatherers and early farming societies. the oldest temple Göbekli Tepe was built.
So a good statement to say is Elon Musk the ultimate greedmeister has "More money than time."
Good job figuring that out! Thank you.

I was going to say, despite all the high tech, there is something truly prehistoric about him.
 
this is one way

fun flick
the books got REALLY WEIRD eventually....pulled a total aboot face...

My fav society? The Culture by I Banks
Space Hippies!
 
Given that it's estimated at 394.2 billion.
In years neither Earth nor the universe as we know it existed. It would be even before time began.
In days Earth was in Mid-Proterozoic Era. and the first eukaryotic cells had evolved
In hours the Earth was in Eocene Epoch of the Paleogene Era and early primates were evolving into more modern forms.
In minutes the Earth was in Pleistocene Epoch ( the discovery fire) early Humans( homo heidelbergensis) and Neanderthals were emerging with sabre-tooth tigers.
And in seconds the Earth was at the end of Ice Age and Humans were hunter-gatherers and early farming societies. the oldest temple Göbekli Tepe was built.
So a good statement to say is Elon Musk the ultimate greedmeister has "More money than time."
See things a bit differently. I believe that the Earth and universe were created by God around 6,500 years ago.

It’s incredible to think about the richness of life, all designed in such a short timeframe. When we think about wealth, let's reflect on the eternal value and purpose behind our existence.

Like the early humans and their meaningful lives, we too have a special purpose and potential in this world. And that’s a treasure that’s truly beyond any monetary value
 
See things a bit differently. I believe that the Earth and universe were created by God around 6,500 years ago.
It’s incredible to think about the richness of life, all designed in such a short timeframe. When we think about wealth, let's reflect on the eternal value and purpose behind our existence.
Like the early humans and their meaningful lives, we too have a special purpose and potential in this world. And that’s a treasure that’s truly beyond any monetary value
If the world was only 6,500, and we think on Elons wealth/greed then the inconsistencies regarding value and purpose are much much worse.
One person starving to death isn't considered a treasure beyond monetary value. When monetary value is the main way to stop it happening.
Why should, whether Elon eats tomorrow be valued at 394.2 billion and a starving child be valued at 0.
 
That is a good question
Rife with possibilities
One that will have to take into account those who need help
And then of course how to deal with the vested interests who have all this extreme wealth? What will that involve? Will it by necessity involve some kind or coercion/force?
Isn't this essentially what all these variations going on right now in the world, of "Davos/UN/FAUCI/Evil Aliens/Ancient Families/", of one group holdin too much power over another?
One of my litmus tests as to how a civ is doing is how it treats its lowest groups...
Has there ever been a civ who has successfully dealt with income inequality?
I remember the Dalai Lama mentioning that he has his compassion practices through intense intentional training and that he envisions a time when kids will be able to do that more automatically
Can we as a globe continue to exist in this way? Of seemingly autononous countries acting anarchistically with each other

Can communism ever work?
Can socialism?
Can capitalism?

Its all about hypnotic trances and speak to the profession field 9 out of 10 will tell you there's no such thing as they stand there starry eyed in front of the chamber ... what's in that dark hole? Now that's a different matter ... then there is that book ; A Vision from Nowhere ... do you know it? One may be required to back out of the spotlight a bit to see what's on tap! Let the Dan's begin ... Lou; bring it on ... and the caldron simmered --- some Shaw guise!

Where did the healer go when put down? We don't know ... right down to the last M'N!
 
Countries could form alliances to make similar economic policies that disincentivize extreme wealth and/ or put the excess into the public good.

Yet ... still they have their alters ... they say the Ukrainians have doubts about the truth in Trump's Christian push for a piece of the action ... and there the watchman stands! Chaos can there be chaos given our tendency towards DID ... and even the professional neurotics doubt! Neurosis? No, it couldn't be and thus stress is buried ... the cat did it Snoopy! It was on a dark and brutal night ... Nacht -Z ... Nicks ... there visions ...

What will the wealthy cook? No questions ...
 
See things a bit differently. I believe that the Earth and universe were created by God around 6,500 years ago.

It’s incredible to think about the richness of life, all designed in such a short timeframe. When we think about wealth, let's reflect on the eternal value and purpose behind our existence.

Like the early humans and their meaningful lives, we too have a special purpose and potential in this world. And that’s a treasure that’s truly beyond any monetary value

Then you believe inn the Roman Seizures ... that settles that sludge ... muck-abouts? Always someone wishing to stir another soul but from a safe distance ... solipsism, or something even odder? Odds are ... we don't know because it was a Roman Decree ... stupidity spread ... it is overwhelming ... some call it hard shell ... others hardtack (that's tough bread). Must be soaked ... brain wash ...
 
If the world was only 6,500, and we think on Elons wealth/greed then the inconsistencies regarding value and purpose are much much worse.
One person starving to death isn't considered a treasure beyond monetary value. When monetary value is the main way to stop it happening.
Why should, whether Elon eats tomorrow be valued at 394.2 billion and a starving child be valued at 0.
Yes, the disparity between wealth and poverty is troubling. It's heart-wrenching to think that while a few are rich, many go homeless and hungry. This imbalance is not in line with the good world that God intended.

We are called to be stewards of God's creation, and that includes caring for one another. Our actions toward others are important.

Elon's wealth must not overshadow the truth that every life is precious. As a believer, I must use my resources wisely, to support those in need
 
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