Hey Jude! (Jude 1: 1 - 25)

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Why does this thread keep returning to questions of sexuality? :unsure:

Can we talk about mercy?

Does Jude have anything to say to the church today or does his letter just serve as a prelude to Revelation?
Christianity obsessing over sex, esp. the sex other people are having? Never happens. :whistle:

:ROFLMAO:

The final passage does touch on mercy, but still with reference to rant above:

20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up on your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; 21 keep yourselves in the love of God; look forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to[o] eternal life. 22 And have mercy on some who are wavering; 23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; and have mercy on still others with fear, hating even the tunic defiled by their bodies.
Basically, calling on people to stay faithful and have mercy on those who are wavering or fearful and to try "snatch others out of the fire", presumably try to save the sinners.
 
The passage references both God's judgment and the mercy of Jesus.

Rev John used to say justice had to include both.
 
Lot of assumptions in there, starting with accepting that Jesus was Jude's brother.
You need to read the impressive case for the authenticity of Jude's authorship in Cambridge scholar, Richard Bauckham's magisterial book, "Jude and the Relatives of Jesus in the Early Church." Bauckham documents the important role played by Jesus' relatives in early Christianity.
 
You need to read the impressive case for the authenticity of Jude's authorship in Cambridge scholar, Richard Bauckham's magisterial book, "Jude and the Relatives of Jesus in the Early Church." Bauckham documents the important role played by Jesus' relatives in early Christianity.
Just looked him up. He seems like quite a conservative scholar who argues that the gospel writers were acquainted with eye witnesses. He has also written poetry and a couple of children's books.
 
Is this a problem in one community or is it a problem across the network of communities of followers of the way? The condemnation of behaviours is clear. The condemnation of denying Jesus is clear but I do not have a clear understanding of what that means. Was it a denial of his divinity or authority or legitimacy? Was it a denial of his existence? Was it a denial of his resurrection? If these men are so at odds to Jesus, how did they get in the community?

So many unanswerable questions.
Maybe looking up the "Error of Balaam" would help why God turned against him?
 
He seems like quite a conservative scholar who argues that the gospel writers were acquainted with eye witnesses

And as a further point, even if it were so, and there's no way we can prove it, there are two further erroneous assumptions:

i) the assumption that one's siblings know anything about one (I have a sibling who is proof of this)

ii) the further assumption that having a famous sibling means believing the same things as they do.

And this whole "proof of Jude" also ignores that until historically recently, anyone could slap a name on any text, and be believed on that basis (at least a few hundred years out, if text survives). And given that nothing in this short epistle says anything to particularly support any particular "pet cause" of Jesus's, except for the one ungentle, rather violent, reference to mercy, it would be a clear "I don't think so", to my mind. Its total exclusion from the Common Lectionary seems like the institutional church has tended to agree.
 
Just looked him up. He seems like quite a conservative scholar who argues that the gospel writers were acquainted with eye witnesses. He has also written poetry and a couple of children's books.

And as a further point, even if it were so, and there's no way we can prove it, there are two further erroneous assumptions:i) the assumption that one's siblings know anything about one
Your concern is irrational. After the martyrdom of Jesus' brother James in 62 AD, the Jerusalem church was governed by Jesus' relatives (see Bauckham for detailed documentation). The Jerusalem church would have verified their competence in Jesus' teachin
 
Is this a problem in one community or is it a problem across the network of communities of followers of the way? The condemnation of behaviours is clear. The condemnation of denying Jesus is clear but I do not have a clear understanding of what that means. Was it a denial of his divinity or authority or legitimacy? Was it a denial of his existence? Was it a denial of his resurrection? If these men are so at odds to Jesus, how did they get in the community?

So many unanswerable questions.

Thus extensive query!
 
Are there implications around the sense of mercy in the asexual beings? Thus algae rebounded and caused many filamentous covers ...the greening of the earth as composted after failure of another cropping ... acceded differences? Many were stoic and wouldn't move ... leads to demented motivation, or mindless goings on ... and domains of small critters take over the reconstruction as a biological cycle ...

If it contains the word logi ... the stoic will expel it ... thus denied in the catharsis ... it just wouldn't come clean ...
 
There is speculation about the authorship and dating of Jude.

But shall we assume Jude was familiar with content of the Gospels? Written format & oral tradition are both possible

Jesus repeatedly called for repentance. Jude doesn't mention repentance at all. The mercy of Jesus is mentioned but where is the assurance of salvation?

It does seem to be possible to snatch the wrongdoers out of the fire.
 
Which is maybe an oblique reference to repentence or salvation? I mean, "snatch out of the fire" does seem like metaphorical language.
Agreed. It is possible that Jude's primary concern is preventing the spread of corruption by the certain men.
 
Jude doesn't mention repentance at all. The mercy of Jesus is mentioned but where is the assurance of salvation?

Jude is speaking to True Christians ----that is they are saved ------the first sentence in the passage tells you that -----what has happened is that some People who just call themselves Christians have infiltrated the true Church and are spreading False Doctrine ------

Which is so prevalent today in this world ----and Jesus in Revelation 2-3 describes this also in some of the Churches ---

New Born Christians who are called Babes in Christ can be let astray by False Preachers as they are not mature in there faith and can become confused and doubt creeps in ------and they begin to go down a wrong path -----so the term snatch out of the fire is saying ---turn the person away from the destruction and get them back on the right path -----

paradox3 ---if you and a close friend whent to view a volcano sight and your friend wandered way to close to the spewing lava where the fire burns ---I am sure you would go and tell your friend they are in danger and steer your friend to a safe distance -----

Juse describes what the ungodly are like in verses 11-12 and 13---

Verses 14-16 is a prophecy in the end times -----Jesus 2nd coming ----with all the Saints (Those who were raptured before the tribulation began )--and angels to separate the sheep --the ones who received Jesus during the 7 year ulation ----from the goats who refused to receive Jesus during the 7 year tribulation -----

New King James Version-
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,

Enoch prophesied about this ----2nd Coming

Zechariah Prophesied about this --verse 5 below ------2nd Coming -----which is why the Old Testament is incomplete without the New Testament ---the Old Testament is the forerunner for the New Testament -----Jesus still has Prophecies to fulfill from the Old and New Testament

And 1 Thessalonians 3:13 --also gives a prophecy of the 2nd Coming of Jesus

Zechariah 14 AMP B​

God Will Battle Jerusalem’s Foes​

14 Behold, a day is coming for the Lord when the spoil taken from you (Jerusalem) will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured and the houses plundered and the women ravished; and half of the city will be exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.

4 In that day His feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives, which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in half from the east to the west by a very large valley, and half of the mountain will move toward the north and half of it toward the south.

5 You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; and you will flee just as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my [a]God will come, and all the holy ones (believers, angels) with Him.

1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 Amp B​

11 Now may our God and Father Himself, and Jesus our Lord guide our steps to you [by removing the obstacles that stand in our way].

12 And may the Lord cause you to increase and excel and overflow in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you;

13 so that He may strengthen and establish your hearts without blame in holiness in the sight of our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His [a]saints (God’s people).

I say -----So the book of Jude does have ties to Revelation and Prophecy
 
Can there be a true Christian given the excess of lies we dwell among? We can't control them because of we don't know how they arrived here ... from a Zionistic past with a powerful blast ... total ions well blown as Gabriel ... a dark angel ... Eve Angelis tic? Everyone has these tics ... because of where we come from and where we arrived ... mentally distraught (Eris)!
 
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