Hey Jude! (Jude 1: 1 - 25)

[paradox3]

Jude is speaking to True Christians ----that is they are saved ------the first sentence in the passage tells you that

Yes I think you are correct. It's actually a very beautiful opening to the letter. There would be no need for Jude to discuss repentance and salvation because the people would already know these doctrines well.

-----what has happened is that some People who just call themselves Christians have infiltrated the true Church and are spreading False Doctrine ------

Yes this is Jude's premise.

Which is so prevalent today in this world ----and Jesus in Revelation 2-3 describes this also in some of the Churches ---

Many believe this is so today & they are often thinking about the liberal churches

New Born Christians who are called Babes in Christ can be let astray by False Preachers as they are not mature in there faith and can become confused and doubt creeps in ------and they begin to go down a wrong path -----so the term snatch out of the fire is saying ---turn the person away from the destruction and get them back on the right path -----

Is Jude worried the people will be led astray by these certain men? He certainly reminds them of potential consequences if they are.

Verses 14-16 is a prophecy in the end times -----Jesus 2nd coming ----with all the Saints (Those who were raptured before the tribulation began )--and angels to separate the sheep --the ones who received Jesus during the 7 year ulation ----from the goats who refused to receive Jesus during the 7 year tribulation -----

This seems to be the sequence of events in Revelation. We will get there in next week's BPoTW

New King James Version-
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,

Enoch prophesied about this ----2nd Coming

When it comes to OT prophecy and its fulfilment in the NT I am always skeptical. But I agree that the NT writers were heavily influenced by the OT

Zechariah Prophesied about this --verse 5 -Jesus still has Prophecies to fulfill from the Old and New Testament

Yes the NT in particular reads this way.

And 1 Thessalonians 3:13 --also gives a prophecy of the 2nd Coming of Jesus

Agreeing with you on this one.

I say -----So the book of Jude does have ties to Revelation and Prophecy

It does.

 

[Luce NDs]

High power is the choice over depth in understanding ... and thus subtly passed over ... like a fuzzy spark ... NU appearing as nebulous ... much is covered in free alternation of Ba ... the bottom line! Here the over powered blow it --- Gabriel (one of the prime angels)! Suck it up ... light sinking into the darker shades?

Some say if you look beyond earth there is a dark surrounding ... environmental myth and mystery to occupy the concerns ... oh bother!

 

[Waterfall]

When it comes to OT prophecy and its fulfilment in the NT I am always skeptical. But I agree that the NT writers were heavily influenced by the OT

I'm sure Jesus was highly influenced by it also.

 

[paradox3]

I'm sure Jesus was highly influenced by it also.

Yes 100% !!!

But I still think it likely all four Gospel writers put certain words into His mouth to make various points

 

[Waterfall]

Yes 100% !!!

But I still think it likely all four Gospel writers put certain words into His mouth to make various points

Much the same as we speculate even today and fill in the blanks, lol.

 

[unsafe]

But I still think it likely all four Gospel writers put certain words into His mouth to make various points

What your saying here is a great example of what a False Teacher would say and lead people astray ----this is a perfect example of what Jude was talking about in verses 4 and 12 to 14 ------

God does say this

Proverbs 30:5-6 ERV
5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him.

6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.

 

[paradox3]

@unsafe
This debate all comes down to what we believe about the nature of scripture

 

[Mendalla]

What your saying here is a great example of what a False Teacher would say and lead people astray ----this is a perfect example of what Jude was talking about in verses 4 and 12 to 14 ------

God does say this

Proverbs 30:5-6 ERV
5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him.

6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.

But no where does that prove that The Bible itself is actually a true record of what "God speaks". Which is the question that P3 is really raising. The Bible is written by human hands based on their understanding of what was heard or said, not God. How can we prove that it is "God speaking" anymore than any of the many spiritual texts of that era that weren't included in the canon?

 

[Waterfall]

What your saying here is a great example of what a False Teacher would say and lead people astray ----this is a perfect example of what Jude was talking about in verses 4 and 12 to 14 ------

God does say this

Proverbs 30:5-6 ERV
5 You can trust this: Every word that God speaks is true. God is a safe place for those who go to him.

6 So don’t try to change what God says. If you do, he will punish you and prove that you are a liar.

This is also something a leader in a cult would tell you, don't question, just believe what you're told.

 

[unsafe]

The Bible is written by human hands based on their understanding of what was heard or said, not God

If that is your personal belief than you can believe that -----But that is not what the scriptures say at all ------

The scripture clearly states that all Scripture is God Breathed -----The Writers wrote what God told them to write -----they didn't just write what other people relayed to them -----

Strong's Concordance

theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God
Definition: God-breathed, inspired by God
Usage: God-breathed, inspired by God, due to the inspiration of God.

properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture

"expresses the sacred nature of the Scriptures (their divine origin) and their power to sanctify believers"

2 Tim 3:16: "Each-and-every (3956 /pás, singular) Scripture (Gk, singular) is God-breathed

The singular use of 3956 /pás ("all") underlines that each part of speech (every inflected word-form, "reflex") used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.

"2315 (theópneustos) is better rendered 'breathed out by God' as the emphasis is upon the divine origin of the inscripturated revelation itself"

Now people can arguer that all they want but that is what the scripture says -----all words are God breathed -----

 

[paradox3]

Of course we might debate what "God breathed" actually means.

Anyways scripture attesting to itself doesn't convince me of anything.

If you can provide a biblical reference @unsafe we can look at what the writer might have meant by "scripture".

 

[paradox3]

Okay I see you have quoted Timothy. When was Timothy written? Would he have known anything about the four Gospels at that point?

 

[Mendalla]

Anyways scripture attesting to itself doesn't convince me of anything.

It is actually circular logic and proves nothing so it shouldn't.

 

[Luce NDs]

It is actually circular logic and proves nothing so it shouldn't.

That's so dizzy ... yet! Maybe the best way to avoid the hard spots! realization of the great uncertainty that bothers the determined ... what they say is so may not be? Imagine that alternate vector ... and they whatever it was is out and gone ... fey? Fey them's ... or fathom's deep given the tendency to extract what lies there ... motivations? These may run off ...

 

[paradox3]

That's so dizzy ...

Well, I have often said that reading the Bible makes my head spin!

 

[Mendalla]

 

[Luce NDs]

How better to put pimples on the royal mule ... than those things going round and round? Auguring at that ... OCH m'n its a pain ...

Yet some leaders tell us they don't feel anything ... sadly un feld ... logical folly?

 

[unsafe]

Of course we might debate what "God breathed" actually means.

All depends on what what lens and what mind your using to debate what God Breathed means --

If One uses their human mind and human lens to debate what God Breathed means they will come up with their human reasoning for It ---which will be totally different from the actual spiritual meaning usings a Spiritual lens and a mind focused on the Spiritual side of the debate ----

As per what Strong's Concordance says above ----
used in the Bible is God-breathed, i.e. inscripturated (written) under divine inspiration.

 

[paradox3]

Divine inspiration could mean a variety things.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Agreed. I could claim that my writings were divinely inspired.