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Delightful Life said:
i wonder if the skytrain stormtroopers still tase fare evaders?

that is what i have heard bus drivers call skycops lol

and there have been a recent spate of bizarre transit violences lately

that poor kid who got murdered on that bus it turns out the murderer is along with that charge being charged with terrorism and being linked to "terrorist group". weird.
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I wonder if that was hyped up too. The assailant was disturbed, no doubt, but we haven’t heard about that terrrorist group for awhile. Maybe he was saying random stuff in a disturbed state. If he was saying things that sounded like Christian zealotry he wouldn’t be pegged as being from a terrorist group, he would be understood to be mentally ill. And maybe they shouldn’t be given credit that they crave. It just seems like another attempt at “how can we get the public really scared? We need to bring back some old material and justify amping up our forces.” And it’s working. Not to mention if they hype up that group again it will inevitably create more racist sentiment. And that doesn’t bode well for metropolitan cities.
 
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ChemGal said:
I don't think the current issues on the LRT are from people abiding by the new picnic areas.
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No they are a result of failed policies over time that cater to greed. There have always been people getting intoxicated on various things but we are living in a time of serious economic and political dysfunction. Allowing more people to drink in more public places is a red herring useless decision that puts people who use illegal and legal intoxicants into different camps. They aren’t that different. What they need to do is decriminalize and bring in safe supply.

I remember once, in my 20’s, being at a friend’s place for a barbecue - she was renting a really nice condo in a newly gentrified part of Chinatown in the late 90’s. I was standing on the patio having a smoke and everyone was inside drinking - there was probably a joint or two passed around even though that wasn’t legal yet (it’s always been around my whole life in BC). It was getting “lively”. And, I looked across the alley and someone was shooting up behind a dumpster. Here we were drinking good wine and beer and eating good food in a nice apartment that they may have been pushed out to build (my friend had money I was just invited to the party) - and I realized how little difference exists between “us and them” except privilege.
 
People always have done byob in the parks here. But now it just puts one group of people in the good camp and another in the bad camp - and speaking of camps, if more homeless people pitch tents in those parks or if there are rowdy incidents they will be manufacturing a reason to send in more police.
 
yeah it seems a real no win situation in the East End?

those people have nothing
no where to go

and the shop and building owners whose property they are on

the fires

my sister still devotes part of her time trying to help them with their health care
still doing that since at least the pandemic
 
ChemGal said:
I don't think the current issues on the LRT are from people abiding by the new picnic areas.
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It’s a result of failed policies that support greed, that the people they are encouraging to use the new picnic areas have turned their backs on for years. The issues didn’t come about overnight and throwing more police at the problem only creates a police state that justifies authoritarian practices that benefit the privileged who can remain cut off from the broader realities. IMHO.
 
That said…I feel less safe in the city than I used to, also, but being a disabled low income person the idea of bolstering police presence doesn’t make me feel safer it just means there are more reasons to feel less safe.
 
Delightful Life said:
i wonder if the skytrain stormtroopers still tase fare evaders?

that is what i have heard bus drivers call skycops lol

and there have been a recent spate of bizarre transit violences lately

that poor kid who got murdered on that bus it turns out the murderer is along with that charge being charged with terrorism and being linked to "terrorist group". weird.
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Remember about 10 yrs ago when under cover police entrapped a poor couple who were drug users who had newly adopted Islam but they were kind of dabbling at it, and set them up, encouraged them to plant what ended up being fake explosives on the BC Legislature grounds? That was Harper trying to get the public terrified of terrorism. They were exonerated. The public needs to remember that happened. It was corrupt as hell. The public shouldn’t put too much faith in the powers that be. That wasn’t that long ago. I couldn’t help but wonder if motive for that bus incident was manufactured because all of a sudden we’re hearing about that group again.
 
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Once I swiped my Skytrain ticket over the wrong thingy, on the wrong side - I was newly back in town since the new turnstiles were installed, a bit confused by the new process, and a nice man went ahead of me and let me through before the gate closed. Just thinking that could’ve gone much worse. I could’ve been tased. My ticket was still good I just swiped it over the wrong side that opened the gate I wasn’t in front of (the one beside me). You only get to do it once per terminal unless you have a compass card with more money loaded on - it debits the fare off. If you just bought one ticket you can only use it once in that location until the next location, within a 90 minute time frame. But the time of purchase doesn’t show on the new tickets, you only know if it’s good or not if it’s scanned. Also, if your pass expires just as you’re getting off the train you have to buy a new one or spend the fare on your “compass card” to go through the gate to get out of the terminal. That seems wrong. Especially if you won’t be transferring to a bus. I’ve had to buy an new ticket when mine just expired - had to go over to the ticket purchasing machine, possibly line up and wait - and I’ve wondered how safe that is for anybody in the terminal if someone gets agitated because their pass just expired and they don’t have money to leave through the gates. What if people are feeling trapped because they don’t have more bus fare to leave the terminal? That’s not good imho. The presence of uniformed cops tends to heighten agitation in people when they’re in a scared, mentally altered state.

I don’t feel good about more cops potentially tasing fare evaders. It doesn’t seem like a good solution to potential violence on transit to me. Just let them be, and save an extra crisis from potentially occurring as a result. The majority of people pay and sometimes don’t even fully end up needing to use the fare they pre-pay. It all works out.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I wonder if that was hyped up too. The assailant was disturbed, no doubt, but we haven’t heard about that terrrorist group for awhile. Maybe he was saying random stuff in a disturbed state. If he was saying things that sounded like Christian zealotry he wouldn’t be pegged as being from a terrorist group, he would be understood to be mentally ill. And maybe they shouldn’t be given credit that they crave. It just seems like another attempt at “how can we get the public really scared? We need to bring back some old material and justify amping up our forces.” And it’s working. Not to mention if they hype up that group again it will inevitably create more racist sentiment. And that doesn’t bode well for metropolitan cities.
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I don’t think it was the same incident as that kid - as horrible as it was itself - unless there’s an update I haven’t read. The person who murdered that kid was a 20 yr old who was known to him but they didn’t know the motive, last I read. It was another incident about a week earlier that was being attributed to terrorism - didn’t the victim survive?
 
If hostility is better publicized will it free more brutes to beat on the neighbours so that an exorbitant populace will be better controlled as demos?

Thus the rise of re publicising ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
It’s a result of failed policies that support greed, that the people they are encouraging to use the new picnic areas have turned their backs on for years. The issues didn’t come about overnight and throwing more police at the problem only creates a police state that justifies authoritarian practices that benefit the privileged who can remain cut off from the broader realities. IMHO.
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I am confused by your first sentence.

Council is trying to work with what the have, not just throw more police at it. I do think the province has power to make changes in a number of areas that would help, but are not.
 
Interesting discussion here. This is a concern across North America and perhaps the mentally ill homeless person acting out of the norm has more to fear nowadays, in an environment where the public is taught to believe they’re all dangerous. Don’t forget they also have a right to feel safe on transit. The person who evades their fare has the right to expect a safe response, too. They should have the right to expect not to be killed for a misdemeanour or being annoying.

 
On a NYC subway recently a mentally ill black musician was harassing passengers. So a Marine onboard thought he was doing everyone a favor by choking him to death. The morality of vigilantism is receiving widespread renewed discussion here.

Just today I ran into Clint, a new Christian with mental hea;th issues, in sorrow on a street bench. The last time I talked to him, he was renting a house. Now he has been evicted and is homeless. A homeless girl lets him sleep in her tent at an outdoors local homeless camp on the outskirts of our city. Meanwhile, Clint's son died of a drug overdose and the funeral home has increased Clint's sorrow by refusing to give Dad the ashes urn. So sad.
I just consoled Clint, gave him my phone number, and asked him to call when he wanted to be taken out for dinner.
 
What is the root cause of mindless activities driven by blind desires ... will full Ness ... a dark pool devoid of a spark of intelligence?

What to think of it when the psyche is deposed as a hated item of concern?

Do folk despise folk raising question about the secular overpowers? Something for the alternate item (of comprehension as alter ego)?

Far too sophisticated for those desiring simple ... and thus we a re stationed here for observation ... and the Mace of a har dAyre ... root of phobia regarding Shaman ... tis a pity how folk can be swayed to desire alone ... an just being completely out 've it!

There are some excellent art pieces demonstrating the Lady of those waters and the stab thereof ... genres? Thus cut out ... displacement The O'Rae ... that non feeling or antipathy? Grasp some ... just to sense what goes ... draining? Physi Light as C? Then there is the supportive gamma ... that's dark and mysterious, unknown!

Like why do common folk need to abide by living in their means and the the wealthy elite are meant to exceed that protocol and thus excess, exits and outages ... especially decent sense ... would big business accept restrictions, confinement ... does it wash (catharsis)? Should the big part pay something? They say that's ignorant ... the rich deserve what they grasp???? That's the bag ... fertile haggai ...

What can the elite contribute ... thus aquollic ... that's water of some form ... tears? Condensation, rendering and flooding Salinas ... redaction? Dis solution ... as dissociative medium ... take it apart and examine it ... power does not work that well! All rests on laurels ... bushes ... bush elles? Enigmas that cap it off ... red hats!!! A maze is un ... done! Entanglement Theory ...
 
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Painful stories reminding us of the shortcomings of our society and the evil that declares the lives of some people do kot katter
 
edmonton.ctvnews.ca

More than 500 violent crimes reported inside Edmonton transit centres this year: police data

There have been more than 500 reported cases of violence at transit centres and LRT stations in the Alberta capital so far this year, police data shows, and it may be about a year before more police are dispatched to help.
edmonton.ctvnews.ca edmonton.ctvnews.ca
Over 500 cases of violence this year - and the year's not up.
The teen girls who killed a man in Toronto seemed to be widely publicized for a bit, not sure how much people heard of the 12 year old girls who attacked someone here. She didn't die, but was critically injured.
 
ChemGal said:
edmonton.ctvnews.ca

More than 500 violent crimes reported inside Edmonton transit centres this year: police data

There have been more than 500 reported cases of violence at transit centres and LRT stations in the Alberta capital so far this year, police data shows, and it may be about a year before more police are dispatched to help.
edmonton.ctvnews.ca edmonton.ctvnews.ca
Over 500 cases of violence this year - and the year's not up.
The teen girls who killed a man in Toronto seemed to be widely publicized for a bit, not sure how much people heard of the 12 year old girls who attacked someone here. She didn't die, but was critically injured.
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So does anyone know what is going on? Actual rise in incidents? Or are more just being reported?

SNOMEDS, RISE UP AND STOP THIS DASTARDLY DEED! DISPEL THE AGUE, ANGST, AND SPREAD COMPASSION, JOY, LOVE OF CHOCOLATE, LOVE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT, LEAD PEOPLE TO WISE INTERACTIONS AND HEALING OF TRAUMAS :giggle:
 
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