Thankyou, I will look into that.
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The jump into right wing politics is a total 180 though. Remember, it was the hippies with some of those same beliefs who helped bring the civil rights and feminist movements 50 yrs ago. This time they were infiltrated through their wellness channels by the same far right propaganda forces that brought qanon.
Refusal to take Covid seriously is the tip of the iceberg - the right wing hippies believe some of the weirdest and most dangerous politics like they live in a parallel universe (which in a way they do). Everything opposite of reasonable is what they believe. Kind of like fundamentalists - exactly like that. There’s no talking them out of it. I hope by now people realize that’s a reality and not paranoid on my part. Because I know it sounds that way.
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A few years ago I heard or read that we are experiencing a decline in empathy in our world. It seems to me we are seeing the impact of this on a big scale these days. People who ascribe to current "conservative" or "right-wing" ideologies along with those well into the wellness industry (yoga, self-help, 'alternative' health, etc) all seem to have less empathy and seem to be more focused on self at the expense of community. I believe too, that many of the hippies of the 60's grew up to be conservative "yuppies" of the 80's. 
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Yeah, for some of them. Right wing and wellness industry has had a fair bit of overlap for a long time though too. There's the religious groups who oppose things like vaccines and welcome a lot of various "natural products". I zaw it years ago with some Catholic social circles too.
A few years ago I heard or read that we are experiencing a decline in empathy in our world. It seems to me we are seeing the impact of this on a big scale these days. People who ascribe to current "conservative" or "right-wing" ideologies along with those well into the wellness industry (yoga, self-help, 'alternative' health, etc) all seem to have less empathy and seem to be more focused on self at the expense of community. I believe too, that many of the hippies of the 60's grew up to be conservative "yuppies" of the 80's.
Is this just a reaction to the Golden Rule about "doing to your neighbour as ..." imagine what the powers have done to raise ignorance of one side of this equation. Perhaps a self-protecting function in the greater human psyche ... so that some of the excess populace would fade away and reduce the pain to poor mother earth as a natural item!
It makes a good story to substitute for the lies we've been told and the great expectation is that we would believe the lies rather than the other option ... free choice is also involved! Ultimately many people cannot follow alien logic or logos!
That would be scary to one side of the formula ... while the greater sol (singularity) giggles as it all comes together in a great wave ... gravid? Thus something comes of nothing as in symbiosis ... symbolic for all we don't understand ... life itself and still no appreciation or respect for the little things, details and minor immaterial ... that unseen essence!
On the other hand pathæ once meant pain route ... resulting in sentient states ... this may be an altered awareness to that of the walking dead ... I know people that are sensitive to nothing ... believing nothing is all there is in lieu of the nebulous collapsing into a distasteful laughter of a sapient devil of diabolical nature ... enigmatic?
Is this a statement of the human condition?
Some rules, guidance and protocol indicates that knowledge, sentient nature and intellect is evil because you cannot do what's expected without conscience ... and con is about being up against something of this character within our selves as a ... well you know, or maybe not ... knowing being thoughts that scattered in fear! It is a fantastic way of overcoming a frightening psyche ... by going mad --- that Alice frame of the case!
Some say she was tired of the tea party ... and yet some of those out of it admire the function! It may be more complex than expected to get you off their case ... and of course Alice doesn't live there any more ... taking the understanding of the tale with her ... ultimately the butte portion ...
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After watching the insane anti-woke bulls**t that's been making rounds with Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, I am increasingly convinced that ignorant right-wing hate-spewing clods need to be barred from the Internet or something. Neil has repeatedly been told he's being "woke" (in their negative sense) for having gay and non-binary characters in the TV adaptation of his 90s comic series that had ... ready for it ... gay and non-binary characters (and trans in a story arc that will appear in a later season assuming the show gets renewed). And, oh my God, his decision to cast a Black actress as Death (a pale white goth in the comics) just sent them into a tizzy even though fans of the comics love the actress' performance. And that's the thing, these people have no real knowledge of The Sandman, they just react based on what some other ignorant clod, or manipulative leader, has posted somewhere. Which is likely what is happening on other issues: ignorance + disinformation = online a**holes.
And don't get me started on the harassment directed against a trans activist here in London. I've already got a thread on that.
(and no, I'm not apologizing for my choice of language here)
And don't get me started on the harassment directed against a trans activist here in London. I've already got a thread on that.
(and no, I'm not apologizing for my choice of language here)
Imagine Bathsheba being related to a bathysphere ... and the hardest portion of the globes sink ... somewhere where there is no bottom to the depth 've metaphor! To support those that claim to know from being virtue in the know ... if one's knows allows one to detect weasels ... they have a peculiar smell ... perhaps related to viral spreads! The unwinding of DNA, etc.
Disassociation, separation and all supporting the isolation of Maan ... between Eire an UK-eh bo-ied as hibernations onset of the dense! Some traditions associated this with ice land ... outer Hebrides ...
The separate psyche of Maan needs a lamp to be burning in the Nacht! If you don't Nacht Eire lay you demise ... powers state that is going too far ... they just wished to work the little people to exhaustion ... sleeping booties ... restful fete ...
Disassociation, separation and all supporting the isolation of Maan ... between Eire an UK-eh bo-ied as hibernations onset of the dense! Some traditions associated this with ice land ... outer Hebrides ...
The separate psyche of Maan needs a lamp to be burning in the Nacht! If you don't Nacht Eire lay you demise ... powers state that is going too far ... they just wished to work the little people to exhaustion ... sleeping booties ... restful fete ...
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I like some natural products. That’s not the problem. The problem is all politics - not believing in public well being, collective good - only personal responsibility and pull yourself up by the bootstraps. That’s where the turn happened I think. The hippies today are more like the parents that the hippies of the late 60s rebelled against - they just don’t “look” that way. It’s just that the propagandists were able to get to them and influence them to change their politics through their social media channels using appealing language to them that pushed the correct buttons. Anyway probably not the thread for it.
The antivax movement - yeah the people who believed vaccines cause autism long before Covid. That was coming from zealouts, no doubt, who want to create hate for disabled people. A healthy/ unhealthy/ normal/ abnormal dichotomy. Those people never really went away after WW2 and later - they just look for inroads and they found them with the hippies this time. In my opinion. Never thought I’d be scared of hippies.
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I've lost a few friends and by bro has gone off the rails. Looking back the signs were there, but it wasn't on my radar yet. We were all "hippies" at one time. Friends who used to have progressive views were voting for "freedum" in the form of Maxime Bernier because "they" are out to get us and forcing us to get injected with an experimental vaccine that kills everyone...sigh.It’s about 60-40 freeedum fighters to people who read real information, in this neighbourhood. Disappointing and surprising. The peace loving hippies have turned into right wing conspiracy theorists along with the convoy roughnecks. The world is upside down. That said, from what I can see probably 90% (ok maybe 80%) of the adults in this area are chronic weed smokers. I do wonder whether there’s something to that. Everybody’s high and hypothesizing and picking up misinformation that sounds like what they want to imagine or makes them feel antiestablishment when actually they are being used and becoming part of the structure of the authoritarian establishment that’s rising by exploiting people’s selfish impulses?
Lol I don’t know but it’s a strange place. Also, I read the median age is 36 in this area. But it seems like the freedum fighting impulse is particularly high in those over 40. Peers my age here sure are more prone to absurdity lol. I have no idea what the general opinions about Covid are among the youth population who’d be their children. (Full disclosure I do use cannabis products in moderation but my opinions about Covid were formed in a different physical and cultural environment before I moved here.)
Also, sorry Northwind that a brief reply became an essay)
Re: weed smoking. Doubt there's a correlation. What I've understood is that the movement is driven by Christian fundamentalists, alternative health people who tend to be white women over 40, old white guys who are looking for a purpose in life, and the "poorly educated" who lack critical thinking skills.
BTW awful nice to see you here
I know people who are exceedingly intelligent with critical thinking skills in other areas who fell for it and I’ve heard the conversations while they’re high which is frequently - and I really think in this neighbourhood there is a correlation and it’s just ultra concentrated here. Maybe it’s an anomaly. This neighbourhood is highly eccentric and intense.I've lost a few friends and by bro has gone off the rails. Looking back the signs were there, but it wasn't on my radar yet. We were all "hippies" at one time. Friends who used to have progressive views were voting for "freedum" in the form of Maxime Bernier because "they" are out to get us and forcing us to get injected with an experimental vaccine that kills everyone...sigh.
Re: weed smoking. Doubt there's a correlation. What I've understood is that the movement is driven by Christian fundamentalists, alternative health people who tend to be white women over 40, old white guys who are looking for a purpose in life, and the "poorly educated" who lack critical thinking skills.
BTW awful nice to see you here
Good to see you too. I’d better leave this thread for now because I’m getting too into this subject and that’s not what it’s for. Cheers.
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The quotes were there for a reason. I use natural products too, and many medications fall within that.
I am not sure about David Stephan and which way he leans politically, but this type of ideology - Man convicted in son’s meningitis death removed from wellness expo lineup
It was seen too in Northern Alberta with COVID. The area name is not coming to me right now, but they had some of the highest rates earlier in and very low vaccination rates. You see it in the Fraser Valley of BC too.
My aunt and her husband in Edmonton are fundamentalist Christian and they take lots of supplements - last email I got was maybe Christmas - they were getting vaxxed finally because they wanted to travel. We lost them down that rabbit hole awhile ago. They met in a Fraser Valley bible college about 30 yrs ago. She previously had a university degree. Nice people - hospitable and generous to guests - just don’t talk about politics or religion. At all.
But hippies and fundementalist Christians make strange bedfellows - it’s the propaganda driven by a far right political MO that’s bringing these groups together in a kind of tacit solidarity to a bigger agenda.
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Stephen Fletcher who tabled Bill C14 called Maxime Bernier his ideological soul mate. Speaking of conspiracy theories. There’s mine, from the left. And it’s true. I feel that the real push behind Bill C7 is actually covertly coming from the far right, and in this instance it’s mainstream neoliberals who were used.I've lost a few friends and by bro has gone off the rails. Looking back the signs were there, but it wasn't on my radar yet. We were all "hippies" at one time. Friends who used to have progressive views were voting for "freedum" in the form of Maxime Bernier because "they" are out to get us and forcing us to get injected with an experimental vaccine that kills everyone...sigh.
Re: weed smoking. Doubt there's a correlation. What I've understood is that the movement is driven by Christian fundamentalists, alternative health people who tend to be white women over 40, old white guys who are looking for a purpose in life, and the "poorly educated" who lack critical thinking skills.
BTW awful nice to see you here
Anyway gotta go. It must be my Covid brain - and not the best sleep - that’s making me ramble.
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That's probably LaCrete. (I think)
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Sorry when following a conversation I am often forgetting what thread I'm actually in.
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Happens to me all the time. And I hardly pay attention to which forums have my favorite threads.
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La Crete is almost totally Mennonite. When I lived there in the winter spring of 1978, ultra Conservative Mennonites were moving to the NWT because it was getting too secular for them. One sect had two churches with one on the south side of town and one on the north side of town. This was because of a conflict in that congregation. I attended some services of the Evangelical Mennonite Church which is one of the most liberal sects. There are many Mennonites in other communities around High Level.