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BetteTheRed ----you said ----That particular belief? I call it torture porn.

Well you can call it that if you like ---I call it Love in the highest order ------and you mock the greatest show of Love that there is by calling it torture porn ----and then you expect God to just open the Gates of heaven to you cause you just deserve it even as you mock the Greatest sacrifice and show of Love God has for Mankind ----WOW --now that takes the cake -
and you call yourself a Christian -----another WOW
 
Na, torture porn. I completely grew up on this s**t. The blood of the lamb. I grew up Lutheran, born of a Catholic. I know my guilt and torture porn.

For a mature, well-educated, philosophical person, it just doesn't sync with the reality of the (much gentler) circle of life philosophy, espoused by many world religions, including progressive eco-theological belief systems.
 
The fear of God will teach some people to back off and investigate, learn and all that.

Others use it as the bull, canon, etc. for the sake of bullying ... often these people fear word as they might learn something!

Is there an abstract for con sequences? This is counterpoint to the pro pious.

Then there is Priapus ... that jerk, Richard in the forest! In the tempest of life these are the greatest mix-up!

Put them in decent order so life can be fair ... yet, few follow that path! Thus counterpoint at the conference on failure of our surroundings (i.e. environment)!

Many people do prefer a god of fear and anger that can be utilized as a club ... sect! The greater social order is defunct and thus ... we go down!
 
Default of men of god or the god of men ... in essence counterpoint of virtue against the alternate!

Hoo dath unque ... the ghost swallowed it!

Did you know that in some traditions that ghosts were monsters .... made up of nothing at all! There reason is dispositioned, lost!

In the darkness some distant chuckles ... Charles; is that you? Tis a Carolinian crank, eccentric of the other sort!

God said fear nothing and then said something about fear of god? There seems to be a conflict of medium here ... a psychic line ...

Provides an edge ...
 
BetteTheRed ----you said ----- I completely grew up on this s**t. The blood of the lamb

i say ----you show no love for God with this statement in my view -----so you break the 1st Commandment ----love God with all your heart --soul and mind -----yet you expect God's love to save you -----WOW how arrogant is that ----

i say
Well this S**t is the only way that sin is eradicated and IF YOU Choose to reject Jesus who is the Lamb of God then you reject the Trinity of God ----and your SOL according to Scripture for the gates of heaven to be open to you ----and a person who rejects God's free gift of Salvation and Calls themselves a Christian while mocking the greatest Love that God has shown for His Creation is a deceiver and they deserve to spend their eternal life away from God - and should never expect God to open the Gates of His Holy Kingdom to them -------they deserve what choice they have made for themselves ---which is eternal separation from God ----

God gives warnings about mocking Him ------Galatians 6:7 ---- you reap what you sow ------
 
In the light of this alien discussion of something being very confident in an environment of questionability ... is there an overwhelming atmosphere of insecurity about God being loved, feared, angered or questioned regarding an eternal curiosity ... what does one say about an independent (autonomous) person declaring they know everything about the ∞ a twisted Circe?

Time to step beyond that ... yet the challenge is Jew Cid ... juiced up? Word can do that if one does not accept the parable, satyr, or metaphor! Back to the Forest Gump ... dark mystical place ... like a church in de vale ... wispy image? According to Pi ...

Observations must be broadened as the book directs us to question all things, everything of God! Many are still very independent about the idea of social networking peaceably ... thus they sound harsh with an edge of the alternate kind ... Sarah-ate Ide ... deep slash ...
 
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BetteTheRed ----you said ----- I completely grew up on this s**t. The blood of the lamb

i say ----you show no love for God with this statement in my view -----so you break the 1st Commandment ----love God with all your heart --soul and mind -----yet you expect God's love to save you -----WOW how arrogant is that ----

i say
Well this S**t is the only way that sin is eradicated and IF YOU Choose to reject Jesus who is the Lamb of God then you reject the Trinity of God ----and your SOL according to Scripture for the gates of heaven to be open to you ----and a person who rejects God's free gift of Salvation and Calls themselves a Christian while mocking the greatest Love that God has shown for His Creation is a deceiver and they deserve to spend their eternal life away from God - and should never expect God to open the Gates of His Holy Kingdom to them -------they deserve what choice they have made for themselves ---which is eternal separation from God ----

God gives warnings about mocking Him ------Galatians 6:7 ---- you reap what you sow ------
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One could also quote the Bible by saying God doesn't endorse sacrifice.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Na, torture porn. I completely grew up on this s**t. The blood of the lamb.
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Not sure it is terribly helpful to call the religious beliefs of others s**t.

I struggle with atonement theology myself but I haven't completely rejected it.
 
paradox3 said:
Not sure it is terribly helpful to call the religious beliefs of others s**t.

I struggle with atonement theology myself but I haven't completely rejected it.
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Thus we are given life for tuning those that are out of a tune meant to go on ... but denied by a sector! Some even say singing certain tunes and dancing a certain way is unacceptable and leads to the last dance and doing a study of folk doing nothing (theology)? Hanger's on ...

In some cases this is described as an "ology" a study following a spacer in the phonetic expression and resembling a zero sum of studies if you followed a god of emotions and lost it as in apoplexy .. defined as around the neural system but not yet into it!

This allows for psyche study from an exterior perspective ... across the veil so to speak as a smoky apparition! The emotional ideal would say that is evil ... and being instantly countered by a counter from the intellectual ideal.

It follows that this just won't do ... and we are free to chose what to be in the outer regions and domains ... some pick a balance point that is beyond the deux ... as 2 deuces? Catch 22 situation as enigmatic ... you can't see it from either extreme or radicalization!

All that remains is the unseen medium ... so beit! And the entire thing was swallowed for digestion ... gnoshite ... expect internal gnawing ...

Don't know what is being expressed? Look deeper ... the base is not superficial as some appearances may be! Pro fun ditties?
 
Carry a big stick for balance and crosswise it may prevent falling totally intuit!

After that anything is a guess ... for as this world was designated mostly for the followers on not knowing ... and thus they didn't.

Expect exceptions to all rules and rulers ... as nothing is nowhere near perfect as having not a think to fret over. This may be creeping upon us as we destroy the earth ...

Fatalistic processing? Perhaps just a warning from the edge ... twilight Zoan? In the subcontinent that is a Goan concern ... as you may light a candle of concern ... and then diminish it ... the fire goes out! Absolute shadowy ... as that lady that comes in the dark to rework your thoughts and intellect (well sometime)! When is the question ...

Cracks and flaws are where the light shines through ... I'm told I shouldn't say things like that as it may move what was established ... end movements?

These may resemble a treatment from the Carob ean ... find a nice tree to get behind ... Poe Tree? Pre post erhus?

It is said to be a double liner or twinned string Eire ... and it went down to GEO Gaia ... few understand the reason ... as if they didn't desire to know ... that's another God ... leads to intellectual loss ...

May resemble that membrane between the two halves of the brain ... prone to shattering in unlikely events of a person learning to bounce ... thus eternal ripples ... a kind of wrinkle in the mystery ... foreign intelligence as alien? Strange in deed ...

Something to be messed with ... if stung .... could one learn of birds and bees ...
 
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Waterfall ---you said -----One could also quote the Bible by saying God doesn't endorse sacrifice.

Well one should quote the verse then and lets see what it really says ----

God is the one who put the blood sacrifice in place in my Bible ----So lets see your scripture quote on God doesn't endorse sacrifice in your Bible -----
 
We are told in the Hebrew Scriptures that the sacrifice acceptable to God is a contrite heart and a broken spirit.

Of course if you take the view that everything in the New Testament supercedes the Old, this might not count for much.
 
paradox3 said:
We are told in the Hebrew Scriptures that the sacrifice acceptable to God is a contrite heart and a broken spirit.

Of course if you take the view that everything in the New Testament supercedes the Old, this might not count for much.
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So much counterpoint as everything was thrown at us in the purpose of teaching about decision making in the eternal realm! One must chose about everything ... like whether to learn or learn not ... consequence was that all thought was lost (accounting for lost sol)!

Some say a lost sol is like mind in disposition or a deposed psyche ... and so on it went ... not a thought to be had! Leaves some completely doing as they wile and mindless ... if enlightened one may find it an Eire pool like the Celtic Dream (hard blarney)!

I prefer reconsiderations as some items come back to me ...

Some consider me dubious ... isn't that de deuce as a 2 liner? Imagine many lines to weave among ... thus the great shuttle ... transient condition?
 
My biggest problem with atonement theology is wondering to whom or what is a debt owed and what, exactly, is the debt? It always feels like pawn shop theology with a price for redeeming whatever is being held against a debt.
 
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My biggest problem with atonement theology is wondering to whom or what is a debt owed and what, exactly, is the debt? It always feels like pawn shop theology with a price for redeeming whatever is being held against a debt.
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It is like our national anthem on keeping the land free while so many are monopolizing, profiting, locking it up and defeating it ... as a natural thing to do ...

Are there questionable doings in this world as folk bore holes in the vessel? Essences may vent like spirits and monsters of the other kind ... spacey?

Eire we forget ... and yet if you didn't know the primal portions ...
 
paradox3 ---you said -----We are told in the Hebrew Scriptures that the sacrifice acceptable to God is a contrite heart and a broken spirit.

Can you give the Scripture that says just that in Hebrews please ?

having a contrite heart and a broken spirit is the pathway to God's presents ---a hardened heart and a prideful spirit keeps you away from God's presents ------ neither of these take away sin they give you access to God"s presents -----and they lead one to repentance ----

Hebrews 9 ---says this

The Blood of Christ​

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption.

13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.

14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!

So you can think that a contrite heart and a broken spirit is enough to get through the gates of heaven -----that is your choice -----
 
paradox3 said:
Not sure it is terribly helpful to call the religious beliefs of others s**t.

I struggle with atonement theology myself but I haven't completely rejected it.
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You're probably right, but this particular atonement theology has been responsible for the deaths of many. It's at the root of the Spanish Inquisition, the witch trials. And I could apologize to unsafe for it, but I suspect that she's probably more offended by the 'torture porn' statement, and I can't take that one back, because it's the plain truth of all the "blood of the lamb" statements, and exemplified by the ultimate torture porn movie - that Mel Gibson travesty.

I don't struggle with all at-one-ment theology. There are particular models of it, like the "Christ as moral example" that I don't have huge problems with. The ones I do have trouble with are, not coincidentally, also the theologies that require the blood sacrifice of a God-Man, which also offends my unitarian tendencies.
 
Is a personality at one with the light/Christ/illumination or enlightenment ... or with the trend to cover up what should be known of evil wishes on the other?

Some may say this is consciousness vs the collective un conscience!

Such dualities provide choices to see how to separate the autonomies ... you know the varied independent types without adequate networking ... like the great Finch! Carry a torch into the dark realms ... even a bonfire to illuminate the vanities ...

May depend on how you spout it off (or say it)! In depth as similar point ... gravid?

Imagine the great numbers following Trumpism without a question ... power hungry? Lord Acton had words for that ... Lordy, Lor Deis that could cause dippy spots in the fabric ... sometimes known as grief curve Charlie Brown ... or Kubler-Ross!

The interpretations are myriad ... many carried by automatons ... Spooks?
 
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paradox3 ---you said -----We are told in the Hebrew Scriptures that the sacrifice acceptable to God is a contrite heart and a broken spirit.

Can you give the Scripture that says just that in Hebrews please ?
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I can. Psalm 51:15-17 popped into mind immediately. Also Psalm 50:7-15. I'm sure others will be mentioned as time goes on.
 
jimkenney12 ------you said -----My biggest problem with atonement theology is wondering to whom or what is a debt owed and what, exactly, is the debt?

My view ---
Well the debt is your sinful corrupt nature which causes you to disobey your Creator -----and the wages you pay for that is the 2nd death which is total separation from God in this life and in eternal life -----

God is Holy and He cannot entertain sin -----there was protocol in the old Testament for anyone going before Holy God -----people had to be cleansed -----and it is no different today


Exodus 19 -

The LORD said to Moses, "I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you." Then Moses told the LORD what the people had said.

10And the LORD said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes

11and be ready by the third day, because on that day the LORD will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.

12 Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, `Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death.

I say ---
The wages of sin is death ----we all die once and then judgement comes -----Jesus paid our sin debt through the shedding of His Blood -----the only way to have your sin debt paid now and escape the 2nd death is through receiving Jesus who paid for the wrath that we deserve -
 
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