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ChemGal said:
Hospital lab? I find it's the hospitals with the new disposable mask policy. I only went to a dynalife once during this, the patients had all types of masks. Ditto for all the clinics outside of hospital that Ive been to.
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You find it what way because that's how Alberta runs things. You would most likely find it different in another province.
 
I can't keep up with checking the requirements in various provinces. I check for the requirements at the place I want to enter and comply. So far I haven't felt unsafe at any health facility, nor have I experienced a long wait close to others.
 
Northwind said:
I may have used the wrong language. They want people to wear the masks that are used in medical settings. The masks that are generally blue and white with three layers. I feel the Nanaimo hospital has a better policy and seem to be able to recognize what works for the purpose.
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I thought by stating this you were backtracking on the medical mask statement but you're stating mandates medical masks again.

If BC wants medical masks the vast majority of masks floating around right now do not meet that criteria, so it makes sense a mask that is provided on entry must be worn.
 
ChemGal said:
If BC wants medical masks the vast majority of masks floating around right now do not meet that criteria, so it makes sense a mask that is provided on entry must be worn.
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Well Island Health is okay with people wearing their own medical mask. They have created an environment which is safe and clean. Ironically, the place that met your criteria didn't feel as safe for a variety of reasons.

What looked like backtracking was trying to step aside from what felt like judgemental fixation on certain details. It often feels like that when I bring up BC guidelines. It often feels like you don't approve of what is happening in BC.
 
ChemGal said:
Someone comes into the hospital wearing a disposable blue and white mask, how do you know if what they are wearing is a medical mask or a non medical mask?
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I don't have to know. Apparently the staff doing the screening at the entrance have their criteria and can make those judgements.
 
Northwind said:
Well Island Health is okay with people wearing their own medical mask. They have created an environment which is safe and clean. Ironically, the place that met your criteria didn't feel as safe for a variety of reasons.

What looked like backtracking was trying to step aside from what felt like judgemental fixation on certain details. It often feels like that when I bring up BC guidelines. It often feels like you don't approve of what is happening in BC.
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I don't know why you feel that way. I'm not sure by what you mean by my criteria. You got rather snarky when I mentioned that determining who comes in with a medical mask is tricky. With all the various brands that are medical vs. non medical the packaging is needed, and even then there are counterfeits going around.

I'm not sure what you nean as a place that's safe by my criteria.
 
I don't see most things as black or white. Typically when I criticize there is reasoning with it beyond I think that's bad. I have praised a fair bit of what BC has done, the criticisms I have had have been fairly specific. Out of the provinces I feel like I would say ON has had the least logical approach - from having a fair bit of info on what they have done. Quebec I think has done very odd things too although I don't hear as much. I don't agree with a lot of the approach here, but I can follow the reasoning and my priorities are in a very different order than Kenney's.

With the hospital masking I agree it's frustrating. If there's a medical mask mandate though I would agree with requiring a provided mask to be worn, otherwise it's fairly pointless. Actually checking various packaging is too time consuming IMO. Only exception I could see (aside from the ones that exist from masking policies in general) is if someone has a letter from someone like a doctor that they need to use their own masks where they hopefully got instructions on how to puck the correct masks/were provided some.
 
Northwind said:
Your criteria of having the facility hand out masks.
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I didn't say I felt that it was a safe place. I have commented before I felt unsafe entering the hospital. I feel safer in my own mask and not taking it off, because the hospital enterances aren't super low risk places to be in my opinion.
You seem to take some of my posts as criticizing you or disagreeing with you when they weren't (some are).
I agree, the inconsistencies of the hospitals are frustrating. It would at least be good to know what will happen so you can pick what to wear on entering. If I couldn't double mask. My reusable masks wouldn't be my pick to enter with.
 
ChemGal said:
You seem to take some of my posts as criticizing you or disagreeing with you when they weren't (some are).
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I'm okay with disagreement. When you repeat statements after I've already explained it seems like criticism or judgement. This discussion about masks is one example. The discussion about vaccination rates in Alberta is another.

I merely mentioned that I didn't like having to discard a perfectly fine mask so the woman at the desk could hand me one of theirs. Had I known ahead of time, I wouldn't have wasted a mask. For whatever reason, Island Health is okay with people wearing their own blue masks. I personally feel safer in the environment that allows use of medical masks that come in because they recognize the whole picture and create a safe environment. Having to sit and wait in a hospital waiting area for two hours, even with distancing, masks etc, does not feel so safe. I may have been perfectly safe. My feelings are my feelings and I don't feel the need to justify them
 

Okay, I hate to have do this to two people who are on Council, but please tone it down or take it to a private conversation. This is the second time a COVID thread has turned into a personal squabble between you two. Thread bans are a possibility here, and I would expect you to abide by them even though you have the ability to lift them.

 
My apologies I hadn't realized this was in the vaccine thread. I'm done with the discussion.

On another note, and related to the topic, I'm happy to see more of my friends getting their second shot.
 
With the huge numbers of doses delivered yesterday and today a nearby pharmacy finally is talking walk ins!
This is the first time where I'm not really confident in how quickly the doses will be used. Lots of people have appointments and get lazy about altering them (like my parents).
 
Aaaand second dose appointments are now wide open in my health unit. If you're 28+ days past first dose (or whatever it is for AZ), then you can rebook your second as of tomorrow. And that's for all ages with vaccine approval, so 12 and up. And apparently they are opening up thousands of new appointments to cover it, too.
 
Ugh, they are changing how they report the % vaccinated here. AB was using 2021 population data, we are now going to match the rest of the country and use old population data. Falsely inflates the number vaccinated. It's also the last scheduled update.
 
ChemGal said:
Ugh, they are changing how they report the % vaccinated here. AB was using 2021 population data, we are now going to match the rest of the country and use old population data. Falsely inflates the number vaccinated. It's also the last scheduled update.
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PRobably wanting to hide the fact that vaccination rates have basically flattened out once they made sure we got to the 70% so Kenney could re-open by thursday.
 
AB only now is having doses expire - ~4500 AZ doses July 1. So that management of vaccines was done very well here.
 
GordW said:
PRobably wanting to hide the fact that vaccination rates have basically flattened out once they made sure we got to the 70% so Kenney could re-open by thursday.
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We hit 70% a while ago though prior to altering the population number, this bumps us to 77% I think was what the number was.
ETA - Yeah ok, the flattening out aspect, possibly.
 
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