Deconstructing and Recistructing
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Many try many roads in this life to feel fulfilment and happiness but few find it as the gate to such a road is very narrow and many choose a wide long road as they flounder from one side of the wide road to the other trying with all their might to find peace ---joy ---fulfilment and happiness ---some find it once in a while but then it goes ---some never find it ------
Many believe there are many paths to not being lost ----and by being lost I mean------ the Eternal Separation from God ------and they have every right to believe that -----God--(Not the Dalai Lama )---gives people free Choice to choose their own path to their eternal home --------
I hate to burst people's bubble but God says this in Philippians 2 below ---and even though we may not believe it ---that does not mean that it won't happen when we exit this Physical Realm -----and this would include the Dalai Lama and any other human who says they are a god ------Whom God Created -----
God says----in Philippians 2 ---using The Passion Translation here Folks
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10 The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm.[g]
11 And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,”[h] bringing glory and honor to God, his Father![i]
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I say --------And just for fun I am posting the AMP version below as well so you can see that both translations mean the same thing ------even though the wording may be different ------the meaning is the same Folks ------
10 so that at the name of Jesus [b]every knee shall bow [in submission], of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess and openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (sovereign God), to the glory of God the Father.
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Many believe there are many paths to not being lost ----and by being lost I mean------ the Eternal Separation from God ------and they have every right to believe that -----God--(Not the Dalai Lama )---gives people free Choice to choose their own path to their eternal home --------
I hate to burst people's bubble but God says this in Philippians 2 below ---and even though we may not believe it ---that does not mean that it won't happen when we exit this Physical Realm -----and this would include the Dalai Lama and any other human who says they are a god ------Whom God Created -----
God says----in Philippians 2 ---using The Passion Translation here Folks
BibleGateway.com - 240 online Bibles in 78 languages, in text and audio format.
10 The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm.[g]
11 And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,”[h] bringing glory and honor to God, his Father![i]
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I say --------And just for fun I am posting the AMP version below as well so you can see that both translations mean the same thing ------even though the wording may be different ------the meaning is the same Folks ------
10 so that at the name of Jesus [b]every knee shall bow [in submission], of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess and openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (sovereign God), to the glory of God the Father.
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KayTheCurler
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Redbaron
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That's it. Thanks!
KayTheCurler
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You're welcome!
Well, Israel was also referred to as God's son and so was David and Solomon, do you suppose knees were bowed to them too? :I hate to burst people's bubble but God says this in Philippians 2 below ---and even though we may not believe it ---that does not mean that it won't happen when we exit this Physical Realm -----and this would include the Dalai Lama and any other human who says they are a god ------Whom God Created -----
God says----in Philippians 2 ---using The Passion Translation here Folks
BibleGateway.com - 240 online Bibles in 78 languages, in text and audio format.
10 The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm.[g]
11 And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,”[h] bringing glory and honor to God, his Father![i]
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I say --------And just for fun I am posting the AMP version below as well so you can see that both translations mean the same thing ------even though the wording may be different ------the meaning is the same Folks ------
10 so that at the name of Jesus [b]every knee shall bow [in submission], of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess and openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (sovereign God), to the glory of God the Father.
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"Israel is my son, My first born" (Exodus 4:22)
"You are my son, today I have begotten you". (Psalm 2:7)
This is God talking to David, "He (Solomon) shall be my son, and I shall be his father. So said the Lord.
I am a father to Israel and Ephraim is my firstborn." (Jerimiah 31:9)
"I shall be his (Samuel) father and he shall be my son" (11 Samuel 7:14)
"I will be his (David's) father, and he shall be my son" (1 Chronicle 17:13)
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And Jesus himself says, "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the son's of God" (Matthew 5:9) or "That you may be son's of your father in heaven" (Matthew 5:45)
"You are the children of the Lord your God." Deuteronomy 14:1
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Waterfall ---you said ------Well, Israel was also referred to as God's son and so was David and Solomon, do you suppose knees were bowed to them too? :
Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name
I have no idea what you are saying here ------- -----Redbaron posted what the Dalai Lama said and I was answering that ------saying that this person may think he is god here but he will bow to the real God who created him in the first place when he dies as will all others who think they are gods on this earth ---------the scripture clearly says this --------
Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name
10 The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm.[g]
11 And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,”[h] bringing glory and honor to God, his Father![i]
I say ---that includes all people ----as we are all judged by Jesus before we go to our eternal homes that we have picked for ourselves -------
Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name
I have no idea what you are saying here ------- -----Redbaron posted what the Dalai Lama said and I was answering that ------saying that this person may think he is god here but he will bow to the real God who created him in the first place when he dies as will all others who think they are gods on this earth ---------the scripture clearly says this --------
Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name
10 The authority of the name of Jesus causes every knee to bow in reverence! Everything and everyone will one day submit to this name—in the heavenly realm, in the earthly realm, and in the demonic realm.[g]
11 And every tongue will proclaim in every language: “Jesus Christ is Lord Yahweh,”[h] bringing glory and honor to God, his Father![i]
I say ---that includes all people ----as we are all judged by Jesus before we go to our eternal homes that we have picked for ourselves -------
Just saying we are all sons/daughters of God....even the Dalai Lama
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Waterfall ------you said -----Just saying we are all sons/daughters of God....even the Dalai Lama
No------- that is a False statement ---- and this is very important for people to understand in my view anyway --
All are not sons and daughters of God -----you have to be adopted back into God's fold to be a son or daughter of God Now by and through Jesus Christ who is the only one who can depart that title to all -------you have to receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----only then are you called a son or daughter by adoption ------and that is according to Scripture -------
You can believe that your a daughter but that doesn't make it so ------ and the Dalai Lama can only be a child OF God if he or she accepts Christ and I doubt is the case ------the Dalai Lama is God's creation ------
We are God's Creation made in His image ------- but not a son or daughter till we are Born Again in the Spirit ------Just clarifying this -Folks -----read all chapters yourselves -I am just posting these verses -----
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John 1:-12-13 NIV
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Greek word for born here in this scripture -------speaking of being born again here -----
Strong's Concordance
gennaó: to beget, to bring forth
peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life,
i. e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself; absolutely John 1:13
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and now the AMP version ---bringing the same message Folks --------
John 1:12-13
12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—
13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].
Both Scripture --------giving the same message ------AMP giving the meaning of Born of God here so they are not adding words they are making it easy by giving the meaning of what born of God means ---------
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Here is scripture on adoption as sons and daughters -----for anyone interested -----read all yourselves
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5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
AMP Version here ----saying the same thing -----
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Greek word for adoption here
Strong's #5206: huiothesia
the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become sons of God
No------- that is a False statement ---- and this is very important for people to understand in my view anyway --
All are not sons and daughters of God -----you have to be adopted back into God's fold to be a son or daughter of God Now by and through Jesus Christ who is the only one who can depart that title to all -------you have to receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour -----only then are you called a son or daughter by adoption ------and that is according to Scripture -------
You can believe that your a daughter but that doesn't make it so ------ and the Dalai Lama can only be a child OF God if he or she accepts Christ and I doubt is the case ------the Dalai Lama is God's creation ------
We are God's Creation made in His image ------- but not a son or daughter till we are Born Again in the Spirit ------Just clarifying this -Folks -----read all chapters yourselves -I am just posting these verses -----
Bible Gateway passage: John 1:12-13 - New International Version
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
John 1:-12-13 NIV
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Greek word for born here in this scripture -------speaking of being born again here -----
Strong's Concordance
gennaó: to beget, to bring forth
peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life,
i. e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself; absolutely John 1:13
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and now the AMP version ---bringing the same message Folks --------
John 1:12-13
12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the right [the authority, the privilege] to become children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name—
13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].
Both Scripture --------giving the same message ------AMP giving the meaning of Born of God here so they are not adding words they are making it easy by giving the meaning of what born of God means ---------
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Here is scripture on adoption as sons and daughters -----for anyone interested -----read all yourselves
Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 1 - English Standard Version
Greeting - Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Spiritual Blessings in Christ - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who...
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
Ephesians 1:5 ESV5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
AMP Version here ----saying the same thing -----
Ephesians 1:5
5 He predestined and lovingly planned for us to be adopted to Himself as [His own] children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the kind intention and good pleasure of His will—-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Greek word for adoption here
Strong's #5206: huiothesia
the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become sons of God
Redbaron
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Israel didn't have to so accept that. Nor did David, or Samuel.
----------And that's according to Scripture.-----------
Once again your brushstrokes are wayyyyy too broad and simplistic.
And I would suggest to you that, as one created in God's image, Rebecca is also a daughter of God. She may not meet YOUR criteria, but then, she doesn't have to.
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Redbaron ----LOL again are trying to make scripture say what you want it to say and ignore what it does say ------cause you don't like what the scripture really says -----
You Have to be adopted back into the Sheep Fold to be a Son or Daughter of God by and through Jesus Christ ---That is what the Scripture Says ---------
So whatever you and anyone else thinks ----is irrelevant -------You cannot change what the scripture says --all you can do is not believe what it says ---and it is clear that you don't believe what the Scripture is saying about becoming a Son or Daughter of God --------
And that is fine by me -----I just wanted to clarify a false statement that was made and I did that with the Scripture ------so carry on with your unbelief ------
You Have to be adopted back into the Sheep Fold to be a Son or Daughter of God by and through Jesus Christ ---That is what the Scripture Says ---------
So whatever you and anyone else thinks ----is irrelevant -------You cannot change what the scripture says --all you can do is not believe what it says ---and it is clear that you don't believe what the Scripture is saying about becoming a Son or Daughter of God --------
And that is fine by me -----I just wanted to clarify a false statement that was made and I did that with the Scripture ------so carry on with your unbelief ------
Redbaron
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Were YOU not one of those thinking that Trump's myriad of court cases would overturn the US Presidential election last year? Weren't YOU the one who crowed every time Trump's people filed yet another court proceeding, trying to keep Trump in power? If your memory is a little hazy, that thread is still visible in the 'Politics' forum, You can go there to refresh your recollections.
Let me remind you that you didn't know what you were talking about then. You were, to use your idiom, talking through your hat. Frankly you don't know what you're going on about here, either.
Just as a gentle reminder: BIDEN WON. TRUMP LOST. DEAL WITH REALITY.
Waterfall cited Scripture that indicated that Israel Samuel, and David were sons of God, without having to 'accept Jesus into their hearts'. You came along and said she was wrong, even though she plainly cited Scripture to support her case.
Explain to me, if you can, why YOU are right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong.
Let me remind you that you didn't know what you were talking about then. You were, to use your idiom, talking through your hat. Frankly you don't know what you're going on about here, either.
Just as a gentle reminder: BIDEN WON. TRUMP LOST. DEAL WITH REALITY.
Waterfall cited Scripture that indicated that Israel Samuel, and David were sons of God, without having to 'accept Jesus into their hearts'. You came along and said she was wrong, even though she plainly cited Scripture to support her case.
Explain to me, if you can, why YOU are right and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong.
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I have an observation to make about commitments, promises, covenants.
I don't think God breaks promises or covenants. I think God promised to be faithful to Abraham and Abraham's children. Judaism is the first fruit of Abraham. Christianity the second fruit (chronologically), Islam the third fruit. I see all of these as covenants by God to God's children. We Christians call our "bit" of scripture the "new" testament, acknowledging a pre-existing arrangement.
Any belief system that does not, at the very least, acknowledge all three of the monotheistic Abrahamic religions as valid is...confused, and anti-biblical.
I don't think God breaks promises or covenants. I think God promised to be faithful to Abraham and Abraham's children. Judaism is the first fruit of Abraham. Christianity the second fruit (chronologically), Islam the third fruit. I see all of these as covenants by God to God's children. We Christians call our "bit" of scripture the "new" testament, acknowledging a pre-existing arrangement.
Any belief system that does not, at the very least, acknowledge all three of the monotheistic Abrahamic religions as valid is...confused, and anti-biblical.