I don't vaccinate my child because it's my right to determine which diseases come back

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If anything...many of our immune problems over time come from too much sugar in processed foods. Speaking of prevention. Should poor parents be punished further for not affording healthier options?
 
If anything...many of our immune problems over time come from too much sugar in processed foods. Speaking of prevention. Should poor parents be punished further for not affording healthier options?
Mississippi has the highest vaccination rate in the US. That said they also have the highest infant mortality and low weight infants rate in the country. They also have the second highest rate of childhood poverty in the country. The residents of Mississippi are the unhealthiest in the country. 99.7% of the states kindergarteners are vaccinated because of their strict mandatory vaccination program that lacks loopholes. In this state public health trumps parental choice.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...cination-rate-Here-s-why/stories/201502010195


It seems contradictory that "public health trumps parental choice" for vaccinations,while at the same time infant mortality and childhood poverty don't seem to have the same precedent, but hey, a state of poor children will make an excellent barometer for tracking any blips in the vaccine.
 
I don't agree with imprisonment. I also do not agree with seizing their children. I think that a series of fines should be considered as well as the possibilities of carrying the real financial burden of the illnesses.
What happens when people can't afford to pay the fines or shoulder the financial burden of the illnesses ... they usually go to jail and their children are taken by the state.
 
I don't agree with imprisonment. I also do not agree with seizing their children. I think that a series of fines should be considered as well as the possibilities of carrying the real financial burden of the illnesses.

That sounds like sound justice - if not compassion. What about those who are unable to afford said fines and financial burdens.
 
Let me see, you have a state that has kids at higher risk of death and you are blasting yhem because they are found something.

Conspiracy theorists live long and prosper, i see
 
People, you get that folks, generally children died from these illnesses, yes?

My mom had tuberculosis . You can bet we had our shots

My neighbor's son is brain damaged due to his mother encountering measles while she was carrying him. You can bet we were vaccinated

Our parents have memories of these dread diseases, they know the impact
 
I don't agree with imprisonment. I also do not agree with seizing their children. I think that a series of fines should be considered as well as the possibilities of carrying the real financial burden of the illnesses.
I disagree with that. If I get pertussis and pass that on to someone, it's something beyond my control.
 
Citation please

(that's annoying...what if I said no look it up yourself everybody knows high sugar is bad for us and it's in everything - processed foods in very high amounts - but we're making conversation here. Why is the first response to my posts to react like I'm a 5 year old or an idiot)

Anyway, i'll do the work you asked for - here are some:

We can start with the knowledge that big sugar really doesn't want us to know the harm it causes (and neither do drug companies always want us to know what they're up to - sounds like they're peas in a pod - the more we're addicted to sugar and sick the more they make. What would happen if we actually stopped being addicted and sick? If we were all well at least one billion dollar industry goes under. Think about it.)

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/health/story/1.1369231

http://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-range-high-blood-sugar-linked.html

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/hyperglycemia.html

http://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2013-02-scientists-link-excess-sugar-cancer.html

http://www.diabeteslibrary.org/View.aspx?url=Article638

http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2012/10/sugar-industry-lies-campaign



http://www.m.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/10-immune-system-busters-boosters
 
Umm, my mom taught me sugar was bad and that there was a reason for those ads. Then again she advised me to read and to ride my bike.

What on earth does any of what you are posting have to do with vaccine es?


Oh wait, I forgot. It is a conspiracy.
 
Let me see, you have a state that has kids at higher risk of death and you are blasting yhem because they are found something.

Conspiracy theorists live long and prosper, i see
People, you get that folks, generally children died from these illnesses, yes?

My mom had tuberculosis . You can bet we had our shots

My neighbor's son is brain damaged due to his mother encountering measles while she was carrying him. You can bet we were vaccinated

Our parents have memories of these dread diseases, they know the impact
I have memories of these diseases too. I had measles and chicken pox. My children all had chicken pox.

Your neighbour more than likely had "German Measles" or Rubella which is basically benign, the exception are pregnant women within the first 3 months of pregnancy. Although Rubella (German measles) and Rubeola (the common measles) have similar symptoms, they are not the same virus. Did she not have the Rubella vaccine?

I am not against vaccinations per se, I AM against.... one sided information, a company that has exclusive government rights to produce the vaccines with immunity and the vaccine makers conducting their own tests for efficacy. It's a recipe for abusing the publics trust and fears, IMO AND who's to say that they would be honest in their self assessments?
 
I disagree with that. If I get pertussis and pass that on to someone, it's something beyond my control.
Let me see, you have a state that has kids at higher risk of death and you are blasting yhem because they are found something.

Conspiracy theorists live long and prosper, i see
Ah yes, the old conspiracy theory argument. Someone should invent a law, like godwins law, that it can't be used during a legitimate discussion.
 
Umm, my mom taught me sugar was bad and that there was a reason for those ads. Then again she advised me to read and to ride my bike.

What on earth does any of what you are posting have to do with vaccine es?


Oh wait, I forgot. It is a conspiracy.
It has to do with overall health and immunity. Overall...we eat too much sugar. Sugar is linked to increase in many diseases and lowered immunity. Drug companies have that covered with drugs. But what if they actually lowered sugar in foods, lowered the need for so many drugs and vaccines? What would happen to them? They'd put themselves out of work if they stopped many diseases. They don't want to cure they'd rather treat. It's math. Read the CBC and Mother Jones articles. Not conspiracies.
 
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of course, it is like making cars makes us addictivie to cars. There is no human responsibility for self control or awareness

We should live in a communist state, yes? where every decision is made for us. No sugar treats , no cars, walk, bus, every one gets the same amount of money, every individual must .....

You are correct, there are many things which alter our health, but you know, healthy kids get chicken pox if exposed to the virus. Sick kids (such as those getting chemo therapy) die.

That has nothing to do with sugar consumption
 
of course, it is like making cars makes us addictivie to cars. There is no human responsibility for self control or awareness

We should live in a communist state, yes? where every decision is made for us. No sugar treats , no cars, walk, bus, every one gets the same amount of money, every individual must .....

You are correct, there are many things which alter our health, but you know, healthy kids get chicken pox if exposed to the virus. Sick kids (such as those getting chemo therapy) die.

That has nothing to do with sugar consumption

So you are in favor of people deciding to not vaccinate then?
 
I'm not saying kids should never get chicken pox vaccine but maybe they need to fill in the gaps like investigating the rise in adult shingles before flooding the market with the vaccine.
 
of course, it is like making cars makes us addictivie to cars. There is no human responsibility for self control or awareness

We should live in a communist state, yes? where every decision is made for us. No sugar treats , no cars, walk, bus, every one gets the same amount of money, every individual must .....

You are correct, there are many things which alter our health, but you know, healthy kids get chicken pox if exposed to the virus. Sick kids (such as those getting chemo therapy) die.

That has nothing to do with sugar consumption

Overall health (even cancer risk) does have to do with sugar consumption. Yes, we should choose what we eat. Would be great if many everyday affordable choices weren't so packed with hidden sugar.
 
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Absolutely not.

I believe you have the right to destroy your own health (to a point) -- the point where society has to pick up extra costs due to your choices. -- hence I agree with sin taxes -- alchohol, tobacco, and would support a sugar tax. and fines for not wearing helmets
I do not believe the right to destroy the health of others -- which is why I agree with mandatory vaccination

Explanation: The concept of having some responsibility to the others that live in the same state as you.
 
I am sure I do not understand ... what is the point of vaccinations if they don't protect you from the unvaccinated?
 
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