I don't vaccinate my child because it's my right to determine which diseases come back
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I guess you could get shingles from a partner who has shingles if you'd never had it, no?
I had it when I was 15 or 16 - i remember the day I broke out and felt ill - my parents tried to expose me earlier but it didn't happen - and gave it to some classmates in highschool who hated me for it.
I had it when I was 15 or 16 - i remember the day I broke out and felt ill - my parents tried to expose me earlier but it didn't happen - and gave it to some classmates in highschool who hated me for it.
You would get chickenpox from someone with shingles if you never had chickenpox. It's the same virus but I think in rare cases it could happen.
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I mentioned earlier in this thread, that the chickenpox vaccine is a live vaccine though. I wasn't sure how the risk of shingles compared between the two. Chansen quoted the CDC about that though. I'd be curious to see the studies though, as it hasn't been around for too long, I wonder how old the study participants were when they looked at the shingles risk.
ChemGal
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Yes. Shingles isn't highly contagious. You would pretty much need to touch one of the lesions to get chickenpox from someone with shingles.
My point (well my friend/ current rommie's point) is that the vaccine is lowering exposure in the community to kids with chicken pox so that adults with dormant virus are not getting mini boosts to our immunities and that is causing younger adults to get severe shingles much earlier than they used to.
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Then she is wrong.
ChemGal
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It's a theory. I think it makes a great deal of sense, so I did follow it for a while and there wasn't much data one way or another. I'm unaware about more recent work.
If I happen to hear about a chickenpox party though, I'm there! That would be a risk I would take, as I think my immunity levels would be pretty good still and so far my doctors do not think it would be reasonable for me to get the shingles vaccine (even once I'm in the age where it's recommended).
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Do you know something more recent about this?
You could be wrong. The CDCs information could be incomplete because the vaccine hasn't been around long and as chemgal says, I wonder how old the shingles study participants were. Do you not think it's strange that more young adults are getting shingles? It's much more painful to get shingles than chicken pox (which was no fun at 15 but it got me out of school), which knocks people out of commission for the duration.
My brother was really sick from it - I certainly don't want it, nor do most of us.
ChemGal
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The CDC info isn't about this theory. The CDC is referring to those who have been vaccinated.
To detail the theory:
Adults of child rearing age had the chickenpox. In the past, those adults, being around kids kept their exposure to the chickenpox. This acted almost like a booster, to prevent the vaccine. Older adults aren't around kids as much, so are being exposed to chickenpox less frequently plus their immunity overall tends to decrease, so they were the ones getting chickenpox.
Now, adults have still mostly had chickenpox (my age and above). The generation after me is getting the chickenpox vaccine though. This means there is less circulating virus, so my age group (as well as older people) aren't getting that natural exposure anymore. Our antibodies have been decreasing more dramatically at a younger age then what happened to the generation older than us, due to the lack of circulating chickenpox virus. Thus more young adults who were not vaccinated are getting shingles.
He's a pretty laid back kind of guy - but he seems to have lower resistance to a lot of things. He gets more colds. Maybe he was partying too much - he worked at a pub.
But shingles used to be reserved for mostly the elderly and I was surprised to hear he had shingles.
If stress is a factor I should be surprised I've never had shingles!
I'll let you know when it happens.
ChemGal
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@Kimmio - this study provides some evidence against the theory.
http://www.webmd.com/children/vacci...t-responsible-for-rise-in-shingles-study-says
It's the first time I've seen much of anything one way or the other.
http://www.webmd.com/children/vacci...t-responsible-for-rise-in-shingles-study-says
It's the first time I've seen much of anything one way or the other.
They were also only looking at rates in those over 65. And rates had increased 39% over the 18 year period. Would the bulk of cases be near the end of that period or the beginning?