Covid 19 Vaccine

[ChemGal]

My father has been in the hospital in London for two weeks and was moved to a rehab facility yesterday. He turns 92 on Feb 2. We thought he'd be vaccinated since he was in the hospital rather than his own apartment. Apparently not. Apparently being 92 in the hospital in Ontario doesn't make you vulnerable. I believe he would have gotten one in BC even though he's not in assisted living.

Ditto for Winnipeg in hospital. My grandma has been in a rehab hospital for months no vaccination happening there.

 

[ChemGal]

That said, if everyone voluntarily prepared and stayed shut in and isolated for just a few weeks - zero or next to zero contact with anyone we could end the virus without a vaccine. It would have no human host to jump to, then it would die off.

That would kill many worse than covid.

 

[BetteTheRed]

I can attest to the fact that one can survive on canned and packaged food for a few weeks. It's not ideal for the palette but it's far better than covid. I'm not going to be like the Qanon shaman who was caught at the riot, who insisted he get organic food deliveries in jail (and the judge ok'd it). Some people do have serious dietary restrictions but most of us could eat whatever we've got, as long as we had water, and make it through a few weeks.

That's a bit of a glib response, especially in light of my comments about the amount of money and organizational skills required to manage "a few weeks" with no access to grocery stores, drugstores, etc.

 

[KayTheCurler]

I think there was a question about this topic further up this thread.

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[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That's a bit of a glib response, especially in light of my comments about the amount of money and organizational skills required to manage "a few weeks" with no access to grocery stores, drugstores, etc.

I didn't mean it to be glib. I'm saying people can and do manage without fresh food.

My ex's nephew, who lives with him and his parents in a fair sized but still only two bedroom apartment thats been arranged into 3 bedrooms - they are in Europe - tested positive with minor symtoms, and now they're all quarantined for 2 weeks. A twenty year old, two seniors and a vulnerable middle aged adult. They and myself are just praying that they get through it. Not too much worry about fresh vegetables.

 

[Lastpointe]

I am sincerely puzzled by both the lack of vaccines for Canada and that Trudeau is skating on it

s few articles here and there. And now that he is back hiding in his home, giving lectures from his front door to hand picked media it is just not getting pressure

the USA will be at a minimum vaccinating 1 million people a day!! And expectations are they can get that to three million a day. 100 days later virtually the entire population that wants it will be done. That is the end of APRIL! Justin is still talking about most of us done by the end of September. Why is there no pressure in them to fix this massive mistake

 

[ChemGal]

I didn't mean it to be glib. I'm saying people can and do manage without fresh food.

My ex's nephew, who lives with him and his parents in a fair sized but still only two bedroom apartment thats been arranged into 3 bedrooms - they are in Europe - tested positive with minor symtoms, and now they're all quarantined for 2 weeks. A twenty year old, two seniors and a vulnerable middle aged adult. They and myself are just praying that they get through it. Not too much worry about fresh vegetables.

Even those who test positive are still able to get medical treatment.
As for fresh vegetables, there are options for that. Paid delivery, neighbours helping out, the hotel program where food is delivered, free. Your proposal would cut that out too.

 

[ChemGal]

Here, criteria for phase 2 still isn't provided. Considering comorbidities is listed on the Alberta COVID data info, I would hope those do factor in. I think a big part of why many provinces aren't considering them/Canada overall hasn't recommended people with them be prioritized is the logistics - do we do like the flu vaccines for the early doses and just trust what people say? Do we rely on doctors notes, adding onto the healthcare system?
Here I think it would be reasonable to start with the Connect Care system that was put in Nov 2019. It's not perfect, my list of diagnoses isn't totally accurate. Many of those with serious health issues should have things listed though, as they would need regular medical care. It may not catch all ie. some cardiac issues where people get lazy about seeing a doctor, but if they aren't needing regular medical care it's also easier to not be around others if not having to go for appointments, tests, etc.
Information about how well the vaccine works for people with various health issues is also a factor, some places are prioritizing them now, so hopefully that comes out.
And then there's the numbers, what will we get for vaccine, how many people have what conditions, etc.
At the very least I would hope they go with the honour system similar to flu vaccines at the beginning of stage 3 - those with certain health issues/caregivers/people in the household.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Even those who test positive are still able to get medical treatment.
As for fresh vegetables, there are options for that. Paid delivery, neighbours helping out, the hotel program where food is delivered, free. Your proposal would cut that out too.

Not where I know people who are quarantined. My guess is they'll be eating a lot of beans, pickled salads, and they probably have a freezer full of bread and sausages. They do have delivery services of some kind, but they would need to pay extra costs so they will probably have planned ahead and will get by with what they have, and they've lived through war so they won't be complaining about it (well my ex is who he is and will be bored and feeling stuck with some "cranky kid" vibes no doubt) but they'll manage, food-wise. They don't waste a thing. They probably have fresh vegetables, and potatoes already cut up and put straight into the freezer, to make stews and soups, and plenty of dried legumes. They don't really eat green-leaf salads. Maybe some sliced tomato. But the whole world is in this - and we're priveleged here. They already eat a lot of heavy, hardy stews that can go a long way and don't complain about eating the same thing several days in a row. Whereas, I can and do so, but am less happy to eat the same thing over and over, because we are more priveleged here.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Not where I know people who are quarantined. My guess is they'll be eating a lot of beans, pickled salads, and they probably have a freezer full of bread and sausages. They do have delivery services of some kind, but they would need to pay extra costs so they will probably have planned ahead and will get by with what they have, and they've lived through war so they won't be complaining about it (well my ex is who he is and will be bored and feeling stuck with some "cranky kid" vibes no doubt) but they'll manage, food-wise. They don't waste a thing. They probably have fresh vegetables, and potatoes already cut up and put straight into the freezer, to make stews and soups, and plenty of dried legumes. They don't really eat green-leaf salads. Maybe some sliced tomato. But the whole world is in this - and we're priveleged here. They already eat a lot of heavy, hardy stews that can go a long way and don't complain about eating the same thing several days in a row. Whereas, I can and do so, but am less happy to eat the same thing over and over, because we are more priveleged here.

I know homeless, and close to homeless, people. And truly poor people have no fixed address, and certainly not a freezer full of bread and sausages.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I know homeless, and close to homeless, people. And truly poor people have no fixed address, and certainly not a freezer full of bread and sausages.

So have I. These are 4 ppl in a two bedroom. 1 young adult, two elderly adults and a middle aged adult with underlying health issues - with one pension coming for the month in during this time period - because there is no quarantine pay or extra covid unemployment insurance or the like, from their government. They just had to stop working and that's that. I'm just saying they won't be getting grocery or restaurant deliveries. That's not taken for granted to be available, as Chemgal was implying. We're more fortunate if we are able to consider those options, is the only thing I was trying to say.

 

[ChemGal]

So have I. These are 4 ppl in a two bedroom. 1 young adult, two elderly adults and a middle aged adult with underlying health issues - with one pension coming in during this time period because there is no quarantine pay or extra covid unemployment insurance or the like, from their government, for the latter two. I'm just saying they won't be getting grocery or restaurant deliveries. That's not taken for granted to be available, as Chemgal was implying.

That many people, different ages, so likely a few different social groups, and they don't know anyone who would be willing to deliver some items if wanted/needed?
Unless developmentally delayed I would think the young adult would at least know groups to reach out too. Lots of groups will help out if asked.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That many people, different ages, so likely a few different social groups, and they don't know anyone who would be willing to deliver some items if wanted/needed?
Unless developmentally delayed I would think the young adult would at least know groups to reach out too. Lots of groups will help out if asked.

Maybe. But they probably won't need to, or will be resourceful. His parents church would help out if asked I'm sure. But they would anytime. Like I said, they've been through a war in the 90s.

(Pointing out first world problems. They're in more like a second world country. Looks similar in many ways, but fewer choices.

 

[ChemGal]

Maybe. But they probably won't need to, or will be resourceful. Like I said, they've been through a war in the 90s.

Here we could definitely make do. Carrots in the fridge from the garden which I think are still ok. Lots of fruit and veggies options in the freezer too - some prepared, some not (had roasted tomato sauce I made this summer for dinner).
I do know though we have options to get groceries if wanted. Likely more options being in a city than a rural area, but rural areas tend to be good for helping out one another.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Here we could definitely make do. Carrots in the fridge from the garden which I think are still ok. Lots of fruit and veggies options in the freezer too - some prepared, some not (had roasted tomato sauce I made this summer for dinner).
I do know though we have options to get groceries if wanted. Likely more options being in a city than a rural area, but rural areas tend to be good for helping out one another.

They have people who would help. They know how to get through worse is all i meant.

 

[BetteTheRed]

You have noticed that many of your options involve people being employed?

You can order on-line. But there are people who deliver the goods to the stores. Those that shop and pack. And it's unfair to assume that they all have private vehicles, so then there's public transit. And those on-line deliveries.

 

[ChemGal]

You have noticed that many of your options involve people being employed?

You can order on-line. But there are people who deliver the goods to the stores. Those that shop and pack. And it's unfair to assume that they all have private vehicles, so then there's public transit. And those on-line deliveries.

Oh, I agree we need people working. Mentioned above, shutting things down entirely would be much worse than what COVID is doing. We need healthcare working, some healthcare workers need childcare. We could request everyone prepare food ahead of time, but medicine needs change. Even some medical stuff that can be put off - having everyone do so with all of that all at once is going to create problems.
I've been against true lockdowns, curfews, etc. as well.

I just question the inability to get fresh vegetables if having to isolate if one could obtain them if not isolating (finances can make both situations difficult).

 

[ChemGal]

I think overall, the options available are actually a benefit of COVID. I hope most remain once we're into the new non-crisis normal.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Meh, I'm of two minds.

I walked into my closest Shopper's Drug Mart a week or so ago, on seniors day, dontcha know, to stock up on painkillers and 24 hr non drowsy anti-histamines, my "regular" OTC drugs. The usual three checkouts had been replaced. Two checkouts, only one in service, plus three self-checkouts. I was invited to use a self checkout rather than stand in line. I chose the line. They opened the second checkout.

 

[ChemGal]

Meh, I'm of two minds.

I walked into my closest Shopper's Drug Mart a week or so ago, on seniors day, dontcha know, to stock up on painkillers and 24 hr non drowsy anti-histamines, my "regular" OTC drugs. The usual three checkouts had been replaced. Two checkouts, only one in service, plus three self-checkouts. I was invited to use a self checkout rather than stand in line. I chose the line. They opened the second checkout.

I'm thinking of things like curbside options too. Good for lots of issues. Even with say a sprained ankle it can be easier on the 'spoons' it's not just chronic issues.