Covid 19 Vaccine

[Mendalla]

And in the Toronto area they just announced that 40% of Covid cases are coming from the manufacturing sector....will they next shut down factories?

The government will hold off on that as long as possible. The economic damage, and the cost to support all those unemployed blue collar workers, would be considerable. But, yeah, if they are a major source of spread, they at least need to tighten the screws and maybe send the labour inspectors out to make sure precautions are being implemented appropriately.

 

[Lastpointe]

I think they could shut down everything that wasn’t directly involved with food and cars. We need to repair cars, gas them up, and eat.
but I also think that they have started to see a post Christmas drop

i was annoyed yesterday , they are calling out people who visited over Christmas. They can tell by cell phones. But at the time they said, if you live alone you can visit another home. And now they are putting on a guilt trip

my son and daughter in law had her mother, who lives alone for Christmas dinner and overnight. That was allowed. And I know lots of our kids friends who live alone who did the same thing. Kind of rich to now be complaining when people did what was allowed

and honestly, if they don’t want people to fly they can actually stop that. They announced last week, every flight arriving from Haiti had cases. One plan had the entire plan at risk every row. And a man arriving from Africa, via three airports died the day after he arrived. So who exactly is monitoring all these flights. This is all with in the federal power to stop

 

[Northwind]

I’m glad you did. I don’t, really. I feel vulnerable waiting to be among the last ones vaccinated, as do others with disabilities who are not seniors. I feel we shouldn’t have been left out of the “vulnerable” category, in terms of public health. But given Bill C-7, of course we were. When the idea was being promoted 20 years or so up until fairly recently, to mainstream disability, it was to mainstream inclusion and visibility in employment and civic engagement - to promote accommodations that will even the playing field, to support human rights by recognizing unequal opportunity in daily life in society - not to pretend we don’t have extra risks and considerations.

I feel similarly. Being more hopeful doesn't mean happy. I thought I would be in an earlier group of people being vaccinated. Then I learned that I probably couldn't get the vaccine. The briefing made me think I may be able to get the vaccine. While I understand using age as a criteria, I'm still concerned about other vulnerable people, including people like you.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

My mother got her second shot day before yesterday. Feeling very tired, but no other side effects ( she is 86). Family is happy that she got some protection before any cases show up in her nursing home.

 

[Northwind]

My father has been in the hospital in London for two weeks and was moved to a rehab facility yesterday. He turns 92 on Feb 2. We thought he'd be vaccinated since he was in the hospital rather than his own apartment. Apparently not. Apparently being 92 in the hospital in Ontario doesn't make you vulnerable. I believe he would have gotten one in BC even though he's not in assisted living.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

My father has been in the hospital in London for two weeks and was moved to a rehab facility yesterday. He turns 92 on Feb 2. We thought he'd be vaccinated since he was in the hospital rather than his own apartment. Apparently not. Apparently being 92 in the hospital in Ontario doesn't make you vulnerable. I believe he would have gotten one in BC even though he's not in assisted living.

Sorry to hear this, Northwind.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Our vaccine roll out is slow. Other countries not so much. The USA is planning on one million a day. 100,000,000 this winter. We have yet to even get a million doses. Israel has already done more than 1/3. Croatia has set up appointments for everyone over 50. Cousins are all done

trudeau can smile all he wants and tell people to keep calm. But they dropped the ball

i dont think Pharma is trying to slow things down. This development has given them a big boost. Technically and in public opinion. But yes, they dropped everything to work on this. The big difference was they were given permission to test stages at the same time. So the total testing period was shortened. Same testing was done but compressed time

and I do think that once we move past LTC homes and health care workers then the mad scramble will begin. I think Kimmio you should be in touch with your doctor. with health issues yourself, despite your age you might be able to move up the line

i am resigned to the fact that because we didn’t go to Florida, where we could get out shots, due to being property owners, we will be September here. And that I put squarely on Trudeau

If this vaccine method is a game changer for eradicating viruses, I assume they want to get in on the action now but are concerned with the economic impact of curing a whole bunch of diseases with this method.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That was supposed to be happening because they were not done in the first round and we'll need to start vaccinating them once all the adults are done.

I am beginning to think the vaccine may end up blunting, rather than stopping, this bug. Given how mutable it appears to be and how quickly it spreads in spite of best efforts (even China, who have been fairly successful in controlling COVID, has been having another round of outbreaks), I can't see it being completely stopped very easily.

And there's still questions about whether it will stop people from carrying the virus without getting sick. I am pretty sure that I saw somewhere that the Israeli results suggest it does but I don't have the cite handy, but leaving that question unanswered means we can't really let down our guard with just vaccination.

Get used to wearing a mask, in other words, This may not end this year, even with vaccination.

mRNA vaccines are very specific and effective and easier to make (without sourcing chicken eggs) so they ideally could stay on top of mutations more quickly.

If we ended up with a mild version of a mutation that didn't kill anyone will we still need to wear masks? I think we can be vigilant for now and questioning how long we really need to do this, at the same time. I don't know how wise it is to except this as a new normal forever. I'm not in Rita's same headspace, but I am concerned. I can be patient and long suffering - but we also have to live, like humans are intended to, with social contact, gatherings with friends and family, hugs. We can't shut down those very basic needs indefinitely. That's simply existing not living. We cannot thrive like that indefinitely. It's dangerous to our social development, mental health and thriving (and I'm not thinking about the economy - just basic human behaviour). If we accept everything without question we're just asking to be exploited. They have to have an end goal that's clear, not just leave it open ended. It's harder on some communities to live like this, than others. Especially the poorer ones. I think we ought to be thinking about people who's conditions may have been triggered by the pandemic, not the illness. Like mental health. And how many lives are at risk from that - and not look at the pandemic as a single issue problem. I agree with Rita on some things but I just don't agree it's a hoax or bogus or not a serious illness causing virus. It's a serious pandemic AND we can't resign ourselves to living this way at the mercy of health authorities indefinitely. We have to set an end goal and have a consensus on how much risk is acceptable.

(By the way, I think if these vaccines were really dangerous they'd be giving them to poor people first, not politicians, health authorities, and doctors.)

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Think about being a 20-something year old and being told you can't meet and go on dates, can't socialize, can't kiss a new boyfriend/ girlfriend. We may scoff at it, with a sense of righteousness but that's a pretty big sacrifice they're making at an important time in their lives - and sad and distressing and confusing - so the older grown ups in charge better be thinking about when this ends. If it goes on forever nobody will be falling in love, getting married, starting families. We can't think too narrowly. So we have to demand this gets under control and/ or reach a consensus on when enough is enough of all the restrictions. I think once everyone is vaccinated this round, that's enough for now. And we can get "upgrades", new shots annually, like the flu shot but still go about our normal lives.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That said, if everyone voluntarily prepared and stayed shut in and isolated for just a few weeks - zero or next to zero contact with anyone we could end the virus without a vaccine. It would have no human host to jump to, then it would die off.

 

[Northwind]

Sorry to hear this, Northwind.

Thanks. He fell and broke his hip. He did well with the surgery and is doing well now. They gave him sleeping pills a couple nights that made him loopy even during the day. He realized that and has refused them since. That made a big difference in his alertness and mood. I think he'll be happier in the rehab hospital. They'll keep him busy and he'll be able to socialize a bit once he's through his two week quarantine.

 

[BetteTheRed]

That said, if everyone voluntarily prepared and stayed shut in and isolated for just a few weeks - zero or next to zero contact with anyone we could end the virus without a vaccine. It would have no human host to jump to, then it would die off.

That's a little unrealistic, I think. You can't expect the whole population to have the money and the planning skills required to gather "a few weeks" worth of supplies, medications, etc. (and what do you do about "fresh" food?) And what do you do about health care workers?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Thanks. He fell and broke his hip. He did well with the surgery and is doing well now. They gave him sleeping pills a couple nights that made him loopy even during the day. He realized that and has refused them since. That made a big difference in his alertness and mood. I think he'll be happier in the rehab hospital. They'll keep him busy and he'll be able to socialize a bit once he's through his two week quarantine.

I will be hoping for a complete recovery. Sounds like he's nicely "on the ball", which also helps a lot.

 

[Luce NDs]

Yet many will declare one-way simple solutions to the complexity encountered ...

Resembles unravelling DNA!

 

[Mendalla]

That's a little unrealistic, I think. You can't expect the whole population to have the money and the planning skills required to gather "a few weeks" worth of supplies, medications, etc. (and what do you do about "fresh" food?) And what do you do about health care workers?

The bigger problem is that it only works if the entire planet does it all at the same time. Otherwise it will spread back in unless you put in very tight travel restrictions.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

My mother got her second shot day before yesterday. Feeling very tired, but no other side effects ( she is 86). Family is happy that she got some protection before any cases show up in her nursing home.

In the local news today they said the regional hospital for my family including my mother’ s nursing home,had an outbreak of 14 cases of the new variant between patients and staff. Staff is now only allowed to go home and to work.
Just hope none of my family members will have an emergency any time soon.

 

[Mendalla]

Just hope none of my family members will have an emergency any time soon.

The nearest ER to us had an outbreak declared not long ago. I don’t think it has been declared over yet. The hospitals in London have been terrible over the last couple months, with multiple wards in both of LHSC's campuses affected at one point. It has gotten better and St. Joseph's, which has urgent care but not an ER, has been better.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

That's a little unrealistic, I think. You can't expect the whole population to have the money and the planning skills required to gather "a few weeks" worth of supplies, medications, etc. (and what do you do about "fresh" food?) And what do you do about health care workers?

I can attest to the fact that one can survive on canned and packaged food for a few weeks. It's not ideal for the palette but it's far better than covid. I'm not going to be like the Qanon shaman who was caught at the riot, who insisted he get organic food deliveries in jail (and the judge ok'd it). Some people do have serious dietary restrictions but most of us could eat whatever we've got, as long as we had water, and make it through a few weeks.

 

[Northwind]

The nearest ER to us had an outbreak declared not long ago. I don’t think it has been declared over yet. The hospitals in London have been terrible over the last couple months, with multiple wards in both of LHSC's campuses affected at one point. It has gotten better and St. Joseph's, which has urgent care but not an ER, has been better.

My father was at UH. His apartment in Chelsea Park. Both places apparently had outbreaks. At least he was up on another floor and was likely there long enough to know he was okay. Chelsea Park outbreak was in the care home section, a different building from his. Now he's at Parkwood. We don't want to hear of an outbreak there now.

 

[Mendalla]

My father was at UH. His apartment in Chelsea Park. Both places apparently had outbreaks. At least he was up on another floor and was likely there long enough to know he was okay. Chelsea Park outbreak was in the care home section, a different building from his. Now he's at Parkwood. We don't want to hear of an outbreak there now.

Yeah, the Chelsey Park outbreak's been a bad one from what I've read. I think Parkwoods (which is run by St. Joe's IIRC) has been okay so far in this wave. Haven't seen it mentioned at any rate. Marian Villa, which also St. Joe's, had an outbreak.