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Fast in up people ... the ups and downs of freed impatience ... all while preaching on patience comes from both side expectation of being winner!

Tis a thin red line ... the Rubicon ... bloody awful!
 
I never did understand why they needed the military when there was already a system set up for regular flu shots.
 
Lastpointe said:
Apparently part of the problem was that Trudeau had said we wouldn’t be getting our vaccine until January. Remember back when he said that. Was because we didn’t make it. Of course no one makes it and everyone was getting pre ordered shipments from Belgium.

so then with the uproar that ensued, suddenly he got a whopping 250,000 doses in December. But that was a surprise to everyone who was working on the plans for vaccinations to start in January. So no one was actually ready

interview with head of Shopperes tonight. They are ready to vaccinate. They have now been doing flu shots for years. Government had not asked them. But he says now are in ”talks”. And of course there are thousands of drugstores, including Shoppers.
you could set up centers in school gyms. My Naples news has a article about drive through vaccination centers. Drive in roll up your arm. Now that seems odd to me as you generally wait for 10 minutes after a shot to ensure you don’t have reactions but it at least is trying to get people vaccinated
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I would certainly consider it, would increase my treatment options. If it's not too cold I could head over to hangout near a hospital right after along with my meds. Chances seem better than what I have experienced in the past.
 
This is today's briefing from Dr Henry and Mr Dix in BC. Dr Henry gives an excellent rationale for the vaccine schedule decision making around the 45 minute mark. It is in response to a question from a reporter.

 
Northwind said:
This is today's briefing from Dr Henry and Mr Dix in BC. Dr Henry gives an excellent rationale for the vaccine schedule decision making around the 45 minute mark. It is in response to a question from a reporter.

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Hearing they will try to move it up if earlier arrival happens is good to hear. BC has also ramped up with them not having more than half just sitting in the province makes it more reasonable too. Hige difference from Monday on Tuesday to today. Quebec I would like to hear their explanation.
 
I like the way Henry distinguishes minimum interim between injections from possible maximums.

In Ontario, there was also a comment a while back that the organizing team was working with a projected first arrival date of vaccines in mid to late January - it arrive a month early ... so yes, I can understand that may have factored into the scramble to get up to speed as well.
 
ChemGal said:
Hearing they will try to move it up if earlier arrival happens is good to hear. BC has also ramped up with them not having more than half just sitting in the province makes it more reasonable too. Hige difference from Monday on Tuesday to today. Quebec I would like to hear their explanation.
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Actually, this is essentially what Dr Henry has always been saying. She was more specific here. I found her explanation very interesting. She's a very research/evidence based professional and I appreciate that.
 
Northwind said:
Actually, this is essentially what Dr Henry has always been saying. She was more specific here. I found her explanation very interesting. She's a very research/evidence based professional and I appreciate that.
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The articles I read didn't state so, and at that point you weren't even sure about the 35 days that I had pointed out. It wasn't like I was picking on what BC specifically was doing either, Quebec is more concerning to me as I just don't really hear a plan - probably a bit of a language reporting bias and Pfiizer has come out with statements about the delay. There was the vaccine numbers to look at too, if PEI had come out with that it would have seen much more reasonable. The numbers vaccinated in BC weren't really going up for a few days - not sure if the supplies were being moved around the province at the time or what, there's been a big jump, basically doubling what was reported from Tuesday.
 
ChemGal said:
The articles I read didn't state so, and at that point you weren't even sure about the 35 days that I had pointed out. It wasn't like I was picking on what BC specifically was doing either, Quebec is more concerning to me as I just don't really hear a plan - probably a bit of a language reporting bias and Pfiizer has come out with statements about the delay. There was the vaccine numbers to look at too, if PEI had come out with that it would have seen much more reasonable. The numbers vaccinated in BC weren't really going up for a few days - not sure if the supplies were being moved around the province at the time or what, there's been a big jump, basically doubling what was reported from Tuesday.
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I'm basing my comments on what I've seen her say in her briefings, not what is written interpreting what she said.
 
Northwind said:
I'm basing my comments on what I've seen her say in her briefings, not what is written interpreting what she said.
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I do wish direct quoting was used more, it's too hard to keep up with all the videos. I do watch most of the updates here, but there's a lot that does feel like a time waste. We're all in this together, show compassion, blah blah each time. I get it, some people want the softer messaging, not just the facts. To do that for multiple provinces though - not my thing.
 
ChemGal said:
The articles I read didn't state so, and at that point you weren't even sure about the 35 days that I had pointed out. It wasn't like I was picking on what BC specifically was doing either, Quebec is more concerning to me as I just don't really hear a plan - probably a bit of a language reporting bias and Pfiizer has come out with statements about the delay. There was the vaccine numbers to look at too, if PEI had come out with that it would have seen much more reasonable. The numbers vaccinated in BC weren't really going up for a few days - not sure if the supplies were being moved around the province at the time or what, there's been a big jump, basically doubling what was reported from Tuesday.
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Quebec's plan is to give a first dose to as many people as possible saying simply that the second dose is delayed while asserting that the delay will not harm the recipients of a first dose. They made this decision after consulting with unidentified "health experts". François Legault very pointedly blames Justin Trudeau for not supplying doses fast enough and tells him to look after that rather than butting into provincial jurisdiction by wanting to set national (meaning Canadian) standards for long term care facilities. Meanwhile, the residents of one long term care home, who had to sign a contract to receive 2 doses 21 days apart in order to get the first dose, have hired a very prominent lawyer to sue the government if their second dose isn't administered within 72 hours. The 72 hours is up probably by now.
 
Total, ultimate freedom ... is martyr dumb! Unleased connections? Di al exis, de exit? The Great Escape ...

Cracked is de Bell ... dead ringer ...
 
And Trudeau is to blame for our lack of doses. On the news tonight, with the story that the first paltry 250,000 dose are almost gone is Trudeau saying we will have more end of FEBRUARY. They screwed up. They missed the boat. They have nothing but empty promises. We will have vaccinated 0.6% of our population. USA is at around 6% I think. Israel will have entire population by end of February or some ridiculous thing
 
What could Trudeau have done differently? There has to be a supply to buy since we don't manufacture the vaccine in Canada. Israel apparently, in order to get early and plentiful deliveries, offered a higher price + offered their population as a further test group.
 
Jill said:
Quebec's plan is to give a first dose to as many people as possible saying simply that the second dose is delayed while asserting that the delay will not harm the recipients of a first dose. They made this decision after consulting with unidentified "health experts". François Legault very pointedly blames Justin Trudeau for not supplying doses fast enough and tells him to look after that rather than butting into provincial jurisdiction by wanting to set national (meaning Canadian) standards for long term care facilities. Meanwhile, the residents of one long term care home, who had to sign a contract to receive 2 doses 21 days apart in order to get the first dose, have hired a very prominent lawyer to sue the government if their second dose isn't administered within 72 hours. The 72 hours is up probably by now.
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Won't harm but how effective the 2nd dose will be when it finally is received is questionable. I wonder too is it first priority group to all receive it followed by 2nd dose or are they just going to move into the next phase before doing 2nd doses or have they even decided yet.
 
Jill said:
What could Trudeau have done differently? There has to be a supply to buy since we don't manufacture the vaccine in Canada. Israel apparently, in order to get early and plentiful deliveries, offered a higher price + offered their population as a further test group.
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actually they could have done lots differently.

initially they partnered with China to develop a vaccine. Including giving China access to our scientific data. Once the vaccine was developed the Chinese government banned it from being exported to Canada. No big surprise there considering the issues going on.

so then they scrambled and decided to outfit a facility in Montreal to make it ourselves. When right beside is an actual facility making meds. That offered to assist. And they were not taken up on it.

so then the news arrives that a vaccine is ready. Trudeau says well not for us because we can’t make it ourselves. Then of course all the countries that had already purchased it got special planes to go get it in Belgium. As no country was making it. The FAA even gave special permission for cargo planes to fly with extra dry ice to keep it cold

ah but not us

then a mad scramble to get enough doses for 125,000 people. And more is coming in February apparently.

so yes there was lots they could have done better. But Trudeau missed the boat.
 
Agreed that we were stiffed in the CanSino project with China and that put us way behind in having a vaccine.

I still don’t understand the story with PnuVax not being consulted but interest shown in the NRC building next door and renovating it for production. Sounds likes politics involved there. Not sure if they are still in the plans to go into production this summer.

So we were at the back of the line when the Pfizer vaccine became available. But I thought Trudeau was considered to have pulled a rabbit out of the hat to get even a few vaccines in December. We were then able to run a live test of our delivery system. Now of course, we can’t get them fast enough although Trudeau did say originally that January-February was the target date for first deliveries.

We used to have so many pharmaceutical companies in Canada, especially here in Quebec, but many of them have relocated to other countries because of free trade treaties and patent protection policies.

I think this pandemic has made us realize that we need to keep the means to self-sufficiency alive in our own country rather than counting on cheap labour elsewhere in the world to be our supplier.
 
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