Covid 19 Vaccine

[Mendalla]

It's not just the airports that will bring contagions, our factories are hotbeds for Covid too.....they should also be closed for 28 days.

Depends on the factories. If they are making any kind of medical equipment, they can't be. If they are involved in food production, then they can't be. Really, the only ones that could be are ones involved in making discretionary consumer goods and there aren't actually that many of those in most parts of Canada. We import more than we make in that area.

And if you are going to close the plants for 28 days, are we also going to subsidize their wages so they can pay the workers while they are off work? Because making the companies pay when they have no revenue (since they aren't making anything) is probably going to mean some companies going under and some workers' lockdowns turning into layoffs.

 

[Luce NDs]

All going down ... pan (all) descending (as nemesis) to complete they cycle!

And a rare few saw it ... coming for the incident ... the critical loss of lesser things !

Are humans really that unbalanced in their virtue?

 

[Waterfall]

Depends on the factories. If they are making any kind of medical equipment, they can't be. If they are involved in food production, then they can't be. Really, the only ones that could be are ones involved in making discretionary consumer goods and there aren't actually that many of those in most parts of Canada. We import more than we make in that area.

And if you are going to close the plants for 28 days, are we also going to subsidize their wages so they can pay the workers while they are off work? Because making the companies pay when they have no revenue (since they aren't making anything) is probably going to mean some companies going under and some workers' lockdowns turning into layoffs.

Are you saying, if God forbid, another global catastrophe occurred we wouldnt even be able to make it with the food that is non perishable for 28 days?
There are alot of factories that make cars, car parts, war machines, clothes, etc.....
Why cant they just apply for unemployment?

 

[Luce NDs]

Are you saying, if God forbid, another global catastrophe occurred we wouldnt even be able to make it with the food that is non perishable for 28 days?
There are alot of factories that make cars, car parts, war machines, clothes, etc.....
Why cant they just apply for unemployment?

This would be vetoed by the rich and powerful ... it is just the way it is with avarice!

 

[Mendalla]

Are you saying, if God forbid, another global catastrophe occurred we wouldnt even be able to make it with the food that is non perishable for 28 days?

Good luck finding stuff on store shelves after a couple weeks, let alone 4. Stores practice "just in time" as much as anyone else and most don't have much on site storage.

There are alot of factories that make cars, car parts, war machines, clothes, etc.....

Those are what I meant by "discretionary" but, honestly, it is a fairly small part of our economy now. Even here in London, far more people work in offices than factories and many of those are already on some form of work from home. Even the factories we do have get more and more automated all the time, meaning fewer workers on the floor. Leaving aside General Dynamics (which definitely could be shut down for 28 days without major impact in terms of what it makes), there are really no large factories in London anymore.

Why cant they just apply for unemployment?

Because EI is not set up to handle that big a load in that short a time. By the time they got approved, the 28 days would be up so no one would be getting paid until it was over. Better to let companies keep them on payroll and then compensate the companies, as some jurisdictions have been doing. That way there is no break in them getting paid.

 

[Mendalla]

Back on to vaccines, Moderna is now good to go in Canada. Health Canada approved it this morning. 168,000 doses expected by year-end with more to follow in 2021.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-approves-moderna-vaccine-1.5852848

 

[Waterfall]

Back on to vaccines, Moderna is now good to go in Canada. Health Canada approved it this morning. 168,000 doses expected by year-end with more to follow in 2021.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-approves-moderna-vaccine-1.5852848

London is very much a white collar town.....stray away from there though....you will find huge Camy and Toyota plants in Ingersol and Woodstock with various separate parts plants. Stratforfd also has numerous large plants. And many of those working there are commuters from London and other areas.
There are many commuters from as far away as Toronto and the Lake Huron area the other way.

 

[Lastpointe]

I am glad the second vaccine is approved. But the number of us getting vaccinated y the end of January is laughably low.

new item today that Florida may vaccinate snow birds. Lol. we are so far behind

 

[Mendalla]

I am glad the second vaccine is approved. But the number of us getting vaccinated y the end of January is laughably low.

new item today that Florida may vaccinate snow birds. Lol. we are so far behind

Because Florida is putting seniors ahead of essential workers, which ignores the fact that essential workers are more likely to be in a position to spread it.

 

[Waterfall]

Because Florida is putting seniors ahead of essential workers, which ignores the fact that essential workers are more likely to be in a position to spread it.

And also that over 3,000 health care workers have died since March in the USA .

 

[Waterfall]

Apparently Modernas vaccine is not really that effective until after the second dose.

 

[ChemGal]

Agree....what the hell.
Also if the UK virus arrives, or has already, how would we know?

Tam said there are 25,000 sequences currently in Canada's data bank, some of which would have been collected from recent travellers.

That doesn't sound like much, considering Canada has had more than 520,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, but Tam said sequencing efforts in the country have been consistent with those of the U.K., which detected the new variant through the same method.

New COVID-19 strain dominating U.K. infections not yet found in Canada: Tam

Canada's top doctor says a potentially more infectious strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 has not yet been detected in Canada, but federal officials are mobilizing their genome sequencing networks in an effort to catch it.

www.ctvnews.ca

Would be good to know how we compare to other countries on that. While it is just a portion, the virus going from one person to the next is going to be limited in the number of mutations. Sampling across the country and from travellers gives at least a good idea of what's happening.

 

[BetteTheRed]

That doesn't sound like much, considering Canada has had more than 520,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, but Tam said sequencing efforts in the country have been consistent with those of the U.K., which detected the new variant through the same method.

Which implies that both countries are using statistically appropriate sampling sizes.

 

[Waterfall]

Tam said there are 25,000 sequences currently in Canada's data bank, some of which would have been collected from recent travellers.

That doesn't sound like much, considering Canada has had more than 520,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, but Tam said sequencing efforts in the country have been consistent with those of the U.K., which detected the new variant through the same method.

New COVID-19 strain dominating U.K. infections not yet found in Canada: Tam

Canada's top doctor says a potentially more infectious strain of the virus that causes COVID-19 has not yet been detected in Canada, but federal officials are mobilizing their genome sequencing networks in an effort to catch it.

www.ctvnews.ca

Would be good to know how we compare to other countries on that. While it is just a portion, the virus going from one person to the next is going to be limited in the number of mutations. Sampling across the country and from travellers gives at least a good idea of what's happening.

It is my understanding that England is far beyond Canada's capabilities.

 

[Luce NDs]

Are infinite sequences ... all beyond mortal understanding of the code?

 

[Mendalla]

The lighter side of this thread:

And since you don't get Randall's equally cheeky image title (visible on the xkcd site by hovering), here it is:

"Okay, for the last time, the shot is free, so we can't--" "Shut up and take my money!"

 

[Mendalla]

Another apple that didn't fall too far from the tree. While Dr. Peter Salk's opinion is probably not worth more than any other specialist's in this case, I thought it was interesting that the son of the guy who developed the polio vaccine (and one of the first humans to receive it) is now a professor of infectious diseases himself.

'It's going to be a long road': His father developed the polio vaccine. This is what he thinks about COVID-19.

Dr. Peter Salk was one of the first children to receive Jonas Salk's vaccine in 1953. Here's what he thinks could happen with the COVID-19 vaccines.

ca.yahoo.com

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Germany is starting to vaccinate in nursing homes- staff and residents,today. They have also set up vaccination centres and will invite everyone over 80 first.

Mobile vans to drive to nursing homes parked on the old airport in Berlin Tegel. Source Berliner Tagesspiegel online

 

[Ritafee]

"Forbes found 50 new billionaires in the healthcare sector in 2020. The most notable newcomers of the year are the scientists behind the two most successful vaccines for the coronavirus — one developed by Pfizer and German biotech firm BioNTech, the other by Massachusetts-based Moderna ..."
https://www.forbes.com/.../meet-the-50-doctors.../...

 

[Mendalla]

Anthony Fauci was asked about his Covid shot (he got Moderna) in an interview with CNN and apparently just had a sore arm for a day or so. Since that's my experience with flu vaccines, I know it is something I can live with.

Fauci said that he had few side effects after taking the Moderna coronavirus vaccine and that it's 'as good or better than an influenza vaccine'

Fauci, who took his first vaccine dose last week, said he had few side effects aside from a "bit of an ache in my arm that lasted maybe 24 hours."

ca.news.yahoo.com