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Ritafee said:
I can only judge for myself.
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Ritafee said:
If you are not among the susceptible elderly and have no critical pre-existing conditions, and are not especially overweight, you should go about your (unmasked) everyday life as usual and mind your own business without interference.
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And yet you seem to feel the need to dictate to others or determine what they should do.
 
Ritafee said:
If you are not among the susceptible elderly and have no critical pre-existing conditions, and are not especially overweight, you should go about your (unmasked) everyday life as usual and mind your own business without interference.
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Sounds oddly backwards. Shouldn't those of us, lucky enough to be not elderly (enough), without (the correct) prior conditions, and not fat [according to whom; I know some Eastern European ladies who make mockery of BMI standards?], not make it a special mission (via a mask - which protects OTHERS, not YOU) to protect our neighbours, maybe not so lucky, via any means advocated by science and public health?
 
Chain goes a little something like this. Hockey team has an outbreak - 1 player worked with coworkers from another province. Hockey player still awaiting test. People in a conference find out about outbreak since company has stricter policies than government 1 person there tells the others who were in the other province to go home. A bit of pouting occurs, a bit of I'll just go do x first ... but no, they do follow through when told off. One of them then tests positive, hockey players still waiting to hear (so who knows, maybe it is from another source). Wife has MS. Person who was in the conference room has a wife with HAE and liver tumours. Other coworker is getting a test, he often goes and see his mom who is at risk.
That's just 1 of the hockey players - what's the chain like for the rest?

How do you protect those who do have risk factors with so much being allowed to occur?
 
ChemGal said:
Chain goes a little something like this. Hockey team has an outbreak - 1 player worked with coworkers from another province. Hockey player still awaiting test. People in a conference find out about outbreak since company has stricter policies than government 1 person there tells the others who were in the other province to go home. A bit of pouting occurs, a bit of I'll just go do x first ... but no, they do follow through when told off. One of them then tests positive, hockey players still waiting to hear (so who knows, maybe it is from another source). Wife has MS. Person who was in the conference room has a wife with HAE and liver tumours. Other coworker is getting a test, he often goes and see his mom who is at risk.
That's just 1 of the hockey players - what's the chain like for the rest?

How do you protect those who do have risk factors with so much being allowed to occur?
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And this, likely, is really how a lot of our spread happens. Not restaurants and bars, though those have their problems, too, but just people not taking things seriously.
 
Mendalla said:
And this, likely, is really how a lot of our spread happens. Not restaurants and bars, though those have their problems, too, but just people not taking things seriously.
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In BC the restaurants and bars have not been a source of spread with the current guidelines. The scenario described by @ChemGal and general social gatherings have been the spreader events
 
Northwind said:
In BC the restaurants and bars have not been a source of spread with the current guidelines. The scenario described by @ChemGal and general social gatherings have been the spreader events
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Here in London, we had issues with bars and parties but right now, we have a big outbreak at University Hospital and it sounds more like Chemgal's scenario. Sadly, there's finger pointing going on between the administration and the nurses' union over it, too, which is exactly not the way to deal with the situation.
 
ChemGal said:
How do you protect those who do have risk factors with so much being allowed to occur?
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That is exactly what bothers me about the "protect the vulnerable and let the healthy live their lives" narrative that pisses me off. Most people in your scenario will probably be fine. The unsuspecting vulnerable person might be hooped.

Stay well friend.
 
Mendalla said:
Here in London, we had issues with bars and parties but right now, we have a big outbreak at University Hospital and it sounds more like Chemgal's scenario. Sadly, there's finger pointing going on between the administration and the nurses' union over it, too, which is exactly not the way to deal with the situation.
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A physician friend posted the UH/Vic Hosp scenario. That's the scary part of all this. Both hospitals in this scenario are topnotch and can work together. What if this happens in a smaller or more remote centre?
 
I think I should be ok. We do feel like the risk to Chemguy is fairly low although he was home this afternoon with a headache not unusual for him. There is no plan that I know of for how I can get my blood products though if I do have to isolate. Chemguy claims if they don't sort that out and he tests positive he will show up at the hospital and cough a lot until they figure it the f*** out. Of course he wouldn't though because it would likely harm vulnerable people who have nothing to do with the issues. Maybe a cabinet meeting would be better. We're not totally isolating from each other yet but separate rooms are likely starting tonight. I do hope the person with MS will be ok.
 
Good news is Chemguy told the 2 who were working with the hockey player to go home. I'm a bit annoyed they weren't informed over the weekend and it happened over a conference call multiple people in a room who where some were present. Further contact would have likely occurred at the workplace if Chemguy didn't step up. It's too easy for people to be lax about it especially when they are following the rules. The only formal close contact within work was the hockey player with the 2 coworkers and we're still waiting on his results.
 
GeoFee said:
Cancer has always been present to our human being. It has reached epidemic proportions in our time. It comes into play when cells are distorted by various influences. These include the quality of water and air. Two elements of creation that we have polluted by our progressive ideologies.
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Do we know that? People of ancient times often didn't reach old age and died of they knew not what - long before discovered and recorded science about it. So maybe cancer was just as prevalent or more-so.
 
And the chain moves on. Work policy is Chemguy was a close contact. He's to work isolate for 14 days. The person who has tested positive stopped in multiple cities between Sask and here. Everyone he spoke to are not able to be at work.
 
I have just heard that only 170 people recorded as died with 'with the virus' - in all of Canada - that were not relative to 'health care' institutions such as LTC homes/hospitals.

Of those 170 - how many were optimally healthy before becoming 'infected' with 'the virus'?

Fact check anyone?
 
Northwind said:
Oh please do cite your source.
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Two screen shots within a video that I am watching.

CTV NEWS 5 days ago ...

One screen shot was ...

CANADA COVID-19
10,947 DEATHS

The next screen shot was ...

LONG-TERM CARE HOME
DEATHS 10,781

I am still looking to see if I can find that actual broadcast.

I don't follow the numbers closely ... thought maybe someone else could verify if these numbers are right or not.
 

CityNews Toronto
•Nov 26, 2020
Supporters of Adamson BBQ protest outside Premier Doug Ford's family home following the arrest of owner Adam Skelly. The restaurant was shut down for defying the province's lockdown orders.
 
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