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Lastpointe said:
I do wish we would focus less on cases, which honestly don’t mean too much, and more on hospitalizations and deaths

if lots of people have the virus, but aren’t particularly sick, then we don’t need to restrict much

it if we are getting lots in the hospital then something is up
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There are plenty sick in Europe. From Carollas post Toronto has the potential for a large increase.....and Saskachewan.
 
@Northwind @ninj what do you think a lockdown is if you agree my idea of a lockdown is strange.
Lastpointe said:
I do wish we would focus less on cases, which honestly don’t mean too much, and more on hospitalizations and deaths

if lots of people have the virus, but aren’t particularly sick, then we don’t need to restrict much

it if we are getting lots in the hospital then something is up
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The problem with that is there is a delay. If you wait for hospitalizations get to a fairly high level, implement restrictions, in 2 weeks time there will be more in hospital. This is something that's regularly coming up in the updates and question and answer time here.
There's also the issues with having to have numerous healthcare workers isolate.

Also, do we really want a lot of the population to have long term heart issues? Many people who seem will be likely to have long term health complications don't actually end up in hospital.
 
It's hard for me to imagine other places, but here in NB there is a very small population and high compliance for isolation and masks etc. New Brunswick has felt the impact, but not as much as other provinces. High compliance for whatever stage we're in is key I think and they would likely have no trouble if we had to go back. The health care system is already very strained. Some people even stay home and suffer heart attacks because they don't want to catch covid or take up a bed to someone else they believe needs it more.
Certainly worked here.
 
Today my hubby heard that he was at a small gathering a few days ago and someone thinks they may have Covid. A local hair salon is closed for two weeks because someone was there while waiting for their test results. Six families lose all or part of their income!
 
Waterfall said:
I agree with this: A National Approach,

MSN

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Me, too. However putting all the blame on Trudeau is disingenuous. It ignores the fact that the Constitution gives responsibility for health to the provinces, which means Trudeau has no power to impose anything. He has to negotiate and lead by diplomacy. It could take weeks of talk and still have one or more provinces "off-side" and doing their own thing. Look at the app situation. The feds endorsed an app and at least two provinces still stuck with their own.

I mean, can you honestly see Jason Kenney following Trudeau's lead on anything? And Quebec would likely just play the nationalist card.

So I think there are good reasons why Trudeau went the route he did and continues to do so. I don't agree with it, but I get it.
 
Mendalla said:
Me, too. However putting all the blame on Trudeau is disingenuous. It ignores the fact that the Constitution gives responsibility for health to the provinces, which means Trudeau has no power to impose anything. He has to negotiate and lead by diplomacy. It could take weeks of talk and still have one or more provinces "off-side" and doing their own thing. Look at the app situation. The feds endorsed an app and at least two provinces still stuck with their own.

I mean, can you honestly see Jason Kenney following Trudeau's lead on anything? And Quebec would likely just play the nationalist card.

So I think there are good reasons why Trudeau went the route he did and continues to do so. I don't agree with it, but I get it.
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I agree. Some national guidelines might be good, especially if they go into place based on a metric. It might make some provinces get their s**t together so they don't look bad like hey look, they couldn't manage it so they hit x cases, hospitalizations, whatever/100000 people and the federal guidelines had to kick in.
 
ChemGal said:
I agree. Some national guidelines might be good, especially if they go into place based on a metric. It might make some provinces get their s**t together so they don't look bad like hey look, they couldn't manage it so they hit x cases, hospitalizations, whatever/100000 people and the federal guidelines had to kick in.
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I would go further. Tie federal funding for pandemic relief/assistance at least partly to meeting those standards. You want our help, you meet our standards. Would probably lead to a constitutional meltdown from certain provinces though.
 
KayTheCurler said:
Today my hubby heard that he was at a small gathering a few days ago and someone thinks they may have Covid. A local hair salon is closed for two weeks because someone was there while waiting for their test results. Six families lose all or part of their income!
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For the good of keeping the vulnerable safe ... 'they can build back better'?
 
Mendalla said:
Me, too. However putting all the blame on Trudeau is disingenuous. It ignores the fact that the Constitution gives responsibility for health to the provinces, which means Trudeau has no power to impose anything. He has to negotiate and lead by diplomacy. It could take weeks of talk and still have one or more provinces "off-side" and doing their own thing. Look at the app situation. The feds endorsed an app and at least two provinces still stuck with their own.

I mean, can you honestly see Jason Kenney following Trudeau's lead on anything? And Quebec would likely just play the nationalist card.

So I think there are good reasons why Trudeau went the route he did and continues to do so. I don't agree with it, but I get it.
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Good points.....too many egos and once again politics controls the Covid response...grrrr.
 
Mendalla said:
I would go further. Tie federal funding for pandemic relief/assistance at least partly to meeting those standards. You want our help, you meet our standards. Would probably lead to a constitutional meltdown from certain provinces though.
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Guaranteed basic income emerges as top policy priority for Liberal MPs amid COVID-19​

MPs consider it so important that they’ve designated it their top resolution ...
Guaranteeing that it will go directly to the Nov. 12-15 convention for debate and a vote.

It's all in the script. Everything is going according to plan.
 
ChemGal said:
I took the like to mean agree.
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I've lost track so am not sure which post I liked.

I don't think we've actually been locked down, at least in this province. A lot of businesses such as Michaels and Canadian Tire stayed open. We were encouraged strongly to stay home except for necessary activities.

My life didn't change a lot. That may be sad actually. ;) I can find things to do at home quite easily.
 
Waterfall said:
Good points.....too many egos and once again politics controls the Covid response...grrrr.
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Well, sure, except that generally, we like the balance of federal and provincial powers. It's just that in the odd case where a more "universal" response would be desirable (as in a once in a century pandemic) that we start talking about concentrating power federally, and I'm not sure how cool I am with that.
 
Northwind said:
I've lost track so am not sure which post I liked.

I don't think we've actually been locked down, at least in this province. A lot of businesses such as Michaels and Canadian Tire stayed open. We were encouraged strongly to stay home except for necessary activities.

My life didn't change a lot. That may be sad actually. ;) I can find things to do at home quite easily.
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Similar for me. The biggie is not seeing relatives especially my nephews. I did do a few things with them almost exclusively outside. I might sneak in a Christmas light walk if my sister is willing to drive over just for that when it's warmish in December beyond that I think in person will be off until spring. Otherwise day to day life is similar. I am wondering about my MRI this winter. I know it's thought of as urgent as the summer one was never cancelled but the hospital situation is looking rough and getting worse every day. I guess a possibility is they pay the private system/reimburse patients for going out of hospital.
 
I've had several diagnostic scans since March with no issues. Most people in the hospital have been wearing masks for the past few months and now it is the expectation. Getting an MRI should be fine
 
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