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PilgrimsProgress
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Prison warden?????? (Now that's what I call an over-statement).
If there was no pandemic, I would be just as concerned as you if there were lockdowns here in Australia -but that is not the case. Pandemics call for special measures -particularly if you value the lives of your citizens.
I note you favour quoting right wing Australian news sources. They, like much of social media - as espoused by your own comments, sell on conflict and drama "(Ooh, isn't that shocking"). Try reading the Guardian -it's world-wide and tends to be more balanced.
Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave
Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed
www.theguardian.com
You do seem stressed. I find a strong cup of tea helps.......
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Can extremists abide with balance being so often winging it in the branches of the tree of irrationality? Under that pop up children of passions ... sometimes encountered as beau wish ... on bell wringers ... a deep soude item ... Beau Das and Yo' das ... flaming boish ...
Humans seem to survive best in chaos and anarchy ... thus collectives are distasteful toe M!
Humans seem to survive best in chaos and anarchy ... thus collectives are distasteful toe M!
There is a large collective movement happening. Bigger than the civil rights movement. It isn’t happening here on WC per say, but it’s happening.
Following Luce’s post.
Ritafee
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Try reading the Guardian -it's world-wide and tends to be more balanced.
Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave
Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed
You do seem stressed. I find a strong cup of tea helps.......
Silly me ...
Majorities in the sample of 500 Victorian voters think the lockdown is appropriate (67%) and will be effective in flattening the curve of new infections (60%)
Victoria has a population of over 6.6 million?
... how did I miss this 'calming' 'balanced' perspective.
BetteTheRed
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Now you're a stats major? The Guardian is a respected publications and there will be statisticians to consult.
They don't report the margin of error, but changes in sample size (as long as it's random) really only affect the margin of error of the stats. Clearly, a small majority of Victorians support the efforts being made to contain the virus.
They don't report the margin of error, but changes in sample size (as long as it's random) really only affect the margin of error of the stats. Clearly, a small majority of Victorians support the efforts being made to contain the virus.
Northwind
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This is an excellent argument for universal mask wearing. Do you want a "butt ton" of virus in your "facehole"?
They probably hired a firm to do it, not in-house. Depends how that company formulates the questions, and also human error. I have several years of experience at 3 such firms (was also my job before I went back to school) - one very well known international one - but am not a statistician. I just know the general process of how the opinions get collected and processed and reported. But I believe they are probably mostly in favour. I’ve heard a few people from Australia themselves (pilgrims and a few others online) say they support it. I have no idea what their politics are...but I believe they do mostly support it.
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Ritafee
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And I find a dose of reality helps a whole lot more.
In example Carson as “a voice of warning and a fire under the government.”
"When the public protests, confronted with some obvious evidence … it is fed little tranquilizing pills of half truth." - Silent Spring
How tragic to observe that in the more than a half-century since, our so-called leaders have devolved from half-truths to “alternative facts” — that is, to whole untruths that fail the ultimate criterion for truth: a correspondence with reality.
How tragic to observe that in the more than a half-century since Silent Spring , our so-called leaders have devolved from half-truths to “alternative facts” — that is, to whole untruths that fail the ultimate criterion for truth: a correspondence with reality.
Complement this particular portion of the wholly sobering and ennobling In Search of a Better World with Descartes’s twelve timeless tenets of critical thinking, Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit, and Adrienne Rich on what “truth” really means.
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Ritafee
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Did you want a "butt ton" of virus in your "facehole" before this 'pandemic' ... did you wear a mask before this 'pandemic' to protect others from whatever virus you might 'as well' be asymptomatic of ... should we universally wear masks all the time whether we are feeling healthy or not ... Did you ever go out in public and sneeze or cough on people on purpose knowing full well that you could be spreading a 'virus' that you might not even know you had while not wearing a mask? Will you be wearing a mask in public for the rest of your life now that you are convinced of how important they are to lessening the spread of contagious infections. Would everyone wearing masks all the time work at curbing the spread of the common cold and other 'flu' symptoms ... and so on and so on ...
BetteTheRed
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Actually, Rita, masks are fairly common in Asia. Some of it is about higher levels of pollution, for sure, but much of it has to do with a more collective/common good culture versus an individualist culture.
In Korean culture, continual use of the words "I", "me", "mine" is considered rude (for once, wish I had Jae to back me up). A Korean woman will talk about "our" husband, "our" house, "our" neighbourhood.
I found that video quite instructive in that I hadn't realized that "volume" of exposure could determine the "severity" of the resulting infection.
I'm struggling with wearing masks for entire shifts at work. I rejected a proposal for a 7-hour shift on Friday, because I knew I'd end up crying. 5 hours with a break is about my limit for a mask. (A wonderful wonderfriend sent me a new mask & ear saver with an encouraging note today which buoyed me considerably.)
In Korean culture, continual use of the words "I", "me", "mine" is considered rude (for once, wish I had Jae to back me up). A Korean woman will talk about "our" husband, "our" house, "our" neighbourhood.
I found that video quite instructive in that I hadn't realized that "volume" of exposure could determine the "severity" of the resulting infection.
I'm struggling with wearing masks for entire shifts at work. I rejected a proposal for a 7-hour shift on Friday, because I knew I'd end up crying. 5 hours with a break is about my limit for a mask. (A wonderful wonderfriend sent me a new mask & ear saver with an encouraging note today which buoyed me considerably.)
PilgrimsProgress
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Um, it's balanced reporting because it states 67% -clearly showing that there isn't 100% support.
Folks with conflict driven agendas think only in terms of 0% or 100%. Sadly for them, the world is comprised of more than one point of view.
They are saved from the rather painful -yet at the same time educational - experience called cognitive dissonance......
BetteTheRed
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And because I like stats, here you are.
A sample size of 500 per 6.6 million is accurate to within 4.38 percentage points, 95% of the time. Pretty good if you're talking about percentage approval over 60% anyway.
Your suggestion, Rita, is that every human decision be on a consensus basis. Unfortunately, humans have proved that they can't do that, particularly in groups of over about 150. Now, we might be headed on a path towards such a situation, but we will have no internet, no electricity, no running water unless we have a manual pump.
A sample size of 500 per 6.6 million is accurate to within 4.38 percentage points, 95% of the time. Pretty good if you're talking about percentage approval over 60% anyway.
Your suggestion, Rita, is that every human decision be on a consensus basis. Unfortunately, humans have proved that they can't do that, particularly in groups of over about 150. Now, we might be headed on a path towards such a situation, but we will have no internet, no electricity, no running water unless we have a manual pump.
Northwind
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Seriously? No. Good grief. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your comment.
ChemGal
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I'm not convinced on that with this virus. Not to say it's not possible, but I'm questioning if the comparison on that was fair. I should go dig up some of the articles on that. Useful information in general if it's true though.
BetteTheRed
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Also, when I know I'm sick, I don't go out. I sleep, take appropriate symptom reducing drugs as I choose.
But I know I'm privileged. I can afford to miss a shift or two. If I had to go out when I was ill for groceries, drugs, (or to work to feed my children), I would wear a mask.
But I know I'm privileged. I can afford to miss a shift or two. If I had to go out when I was ill for groceries, drugs, (or to work to feed my children), I would wear a mask.
BetteTheRed
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At the start of this whole thing, I made sure there was a functioning thermometer in the house (and yeah, I had to order it from Amazon, yuck), and I checked my temp most days. Now I just check it before I leave for work, or go to see the old guy.