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So much for my being distracted by the 'maskerade' ... Australia 'news' has brought me back to the insanity of what this world is suffering at the hands of it's Dictators.

Victorian premier Daniel Andrews has threatened heavy fines for anyone breaching Covid-19 isolation orders as the state ramps up stage 4 lockdown measures in Melbourne. Andrews confirmed an increased presence from the Australian Defence Force will be deployed to enforce the orders after more than 800 people who were instructed to self-isolate at home could not be located. Victoria police chief commissioner Shane Patton added officers have been 'baited' by people refusing to provide their name and address. 'We've had to smash the windows of people in cars and pull them out of there so they could provide their details because they weren't telling us where they were going,' he said

 
The infection rate in the Netherlands has gone up by 55 % in the past week, since they loosened restrictions in July.
( yep, that‘s about two weeks ago, who would have thought....)
 
Ritafee said:
Is this what you all want?
www.bbc.co.uk

This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - BBC News

BBC News explores how the pandemic might change the way we live and work.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
I am going outdoors now ... I will be covered in dirt before I come back inside with my home grown produce which I may or may not wash before we eat it ... God Help Us All :cry:
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One must eat a pound of mire (dirt) before grasping the material ... said some Seer! Someone said that Enoch was the first Seer ...Seers being like prophets they tend to be disliked ... that's the crap on life in conquest mode!
 
Ritafee said:
dutchreview.com

Leiden lecturer: wearing face masks cannot be made mandatory, not even as an experiment | DutchReview

A Leiden lecturer stated that it is not possible to make face masks mandatory, not even in experiments, as it would be against the Dutch constitution.
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There are other ways to make it mandatory legally but if you personally prefer to take the chance to lose your freedom from the effects of the virus debilitating your body or death.....fine.....just don't hang out in places where you take away another's freedom who may be trying their best to stay healthy.
 
Waterfall said:
There are other ways to make it mandatory legally but if you personally prefer to take the chance to lose your freedom from the effects of the virus debilitating your body or death.....fine.....just don't hang out in places where you take away another's freedom who may be trying their best to stay healthy.
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It seems that the global virus of insanity is spreading too fast ... I am free and I will remain free. No amount of legalized crimes against the 'body' of humanity will ever change that. I have no desire to impose undue suffering and hardship on people that are already facing inevitable death of their biological being - one way or another.

It is no sign of health to be adjusted to a profoundly sick society?

Seriously watch the video I posted of the lady that got arrested for not wearing a mask up thread ... you keep telling me this is not about me ... I have always known that ... check yourself!

"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men." - Voltaire
 
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Ritafee said:
It seems that the global virus of insanity is spreading too fast ... I am free and I will remain free. No amount of legalized crimes against the 'body' of humanity will ever change that. I have no desire to impose undue suffering and hardship on people that are already facing inevitable death of their biological being - one way or another.

It is no sign of health to be adjusted to a profoundly sick society?

Seriously watch the video I posted of the lady that got arrested for not wearing a mask up thread ... you keep telling me this is not about me ... I have always known that ... check yourself!
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I watched the video, that is Australia......at this point in Ontario we are not allowed to question any medical reasons for not wearing a mask and they don't have to carry documentation.
Check myself for what?
 
Ritafee said:
Is this what you all want?
www.bbc.co.uk

This is what coronavirus will do to our offices and homes - BBC News

BBC News explores how the pandemic might change the way we live and work.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
I am going outdoors now ... I will be covered in dirt before I come back inside with my home grown produce which I may or may not wash before we eat it ... God Help Us All :cry:
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Well, yes, if I work in an office, anyway, this sounds like a perfectly fine life. One day a week in the office, home office the rest of the week.

We can't all be farmers, Rita, nor do we need to be. We need to be productive at something. I used to be "productive" at putting together student and faculty timetables for cohorts of college students.
 
BetteTheRed said:
We can't all be farmers, Rita, nor do we need to be.
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Sir Thomas More, in his 1516 work Utopia suggests that the practice of enclosure was responsible for some of the social problems affecting England at the time, specifically theft:

"But I do not think that this necessity of stealing arises only from hence; there is another cause of it, more peculiar to England." "What is that?" said the Cardinal. "The increase of pasture," said I, "by which your sheep, which are naturally mild, and easily kept in order, may be said now to devour men and unpeople, not only villages, but towns; for wherever it is found that the sheep of any soil yield a softer and richer wool than ordinary, there the nobility and gentry, and even those holy men, the abbots not contented with the old rents which their farms yielded, nor thinking it enough that they, living at their ease, do no good to the public, resolve to do it hurt instead of good. They stop the course of agriculture, destroying houses and towns – reserving only the churches – and enclose grounds that they may lodge their sheep in them."[14]
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That's got nothing to do with all of us being farmers, and everything to do with the concept of "common land", which in our legalistic paradigm of "owning land" becomes fraught with difficulty.
 
Prisoners of our own device ...

An anonymous protest poem from the 17th century summed up the anti-enclosure feeling, and has been repeated in many variants since, even being applied to the contemporary privatization of the Internet:[35]

The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But lets the greater felon loose
Who steals the common from the goose.[36]
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BetteTheRed said:
That's got nothing to do with all of us being farmers, and everything to do with the concept of "common land", which in our legalistic paradigm of "owning land" becomes fraught with difficulty.
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George Orwell wrote in 1944:

Stop to consider how the so-called owners of the land got hold of it. They simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds. In the case of the enclosure of the common lands, which was going on from about 1600 to 1850, the land-grabbers did not even have the excuse of being foreign conquerors; they were quite frankly taking the heritage of their own countrymen, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so.[37]
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Ritafee said:
Quite the understatement.
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Er, I leave the overstatements to you.........
I was referring to the numbers of folks with covid in Victoria. I accept that to many Canadians our Aussie regulations to combat this deadly disease may seem draconian -but, let's cut to the chase here, it works.
Overall, we're a pragmatic country -if it saves lives that's more important right now than people's individual freedom. (Besides, we also have our share of folks who believe in individual entitlement over the common good here, too.) These emergency laws ensure that the needs of the collective prevail.
 
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When a pandemic is running rampant killing people and their neighbours it's not the time to be running on about civil liberties. Too soon! The US is in terrible shape and it could kill millions unless measures are enforced. That said, I think measures need to be regionally appropriate and flexible (more or less depending on what's happening in that region). I don't agree with blanket laws where the virus is not spreading. But when it does start to - people need to move into action quickly and put their individual freedoms - the ones applicable to the spread of covid - in the back seat for little awhile.
 
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PilgrimsProgress said:
Er, I leave the overstatements to you.........
I was referring to the numbers of folks with covid in Victoria. I accept that to many Canadians our Aussie regulations to combat this deadly disease may seem draconian -but, let's cut to the chase here, it works.
Overall, we're a pragmatic country -if it saves lives that's more important right now than people's individual freedom. (Besides, we also have our share of folks who believe in individual entitlement over the common good here, too.) These emergency laws ensure that the needs of the collective prevail.
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I'm trying to understand what is going on there better. It does seem like an overreaction with actual lockdowns occurring, in Canada overall lockdowns have been fairly specific. I do think we could be doing more to protect others, but I also look and see how it's not spreading. When there are positive places in workplaces the majority of time it's not spreading to others. For workplaces, it's more manual, indoor jobs where people are fairly close together. Otherwise the outbreaks are mostly living arrangements & social gatherings - indoors moreso than out. The condo outbreaks seems to be the exception, but there hasn't been a public update about what appeared to be the cause of spread, I wouldn't be surprised if it was some gatherings, being in an elevator, etc.
What I was seeing in Australia was people who were not allowed to leave and going without medication for a bit (I assume it was just short term), not being able to get their own food, etc. What restrictions were in place before the lockdown was implemented? What kinds of outbreaks were going on?
 
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