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BetteTheRed said:
Maybe you have no idea of how thoroughly your movements and on-line activity are tracked? The surveillance state isn't coming; it is here.
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Oh, I know. But why willingly make it worse? Sometimes if I forget my phone at home, it’s difficult because it’s an addiction, but I don’t go back for it. I think, “Oh no, nobody can reach me!” Instead of “Oh good. Nobody can reach me.” Or I think what if there’s an emergency and I need to call for help. Then I remember at least 9/10 people who I pass have phones if there’s really an emergency. I also remember I did survive without one for many years. You’d think we could’ve hardly survived 20 years ago before everyone had cell phones and internet at their fingertips constantly. It’s kind of sickening, actually.
 
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Here's my guilty agreement: I pay very little attention to my phone, ignore it at will. Because I have the resources to have a land-line. I use the land-line to find the phone. No-one knows my cell number.
 
They should stop the nonsense and just mask when they go out.

That said, it should not have been made a regulation. That’s what’s pissing off these immature yahoos. Everyday people just need to be reminded that masks help stop the spread of covid. I doubt Doug Ford even ‘wants’ to wear one. It’s just a temporary inconvenience. I thought it looked stupid on people wearing them outside by themselves with hardly anyone around, especially when there were no cases here, but as they increase opening, cases will go up. I definitely wear one indoors in public places and when
outside near lots of people - even though I still think it looks stupid, not as stupid as getting sick when it’s not necessary. The message would get through better to just remind people of that, I think. It’s because TO made it a law that you’ve brought the idiots out. Maybe if they made it law here I would be more like those idiots (probably not though because I check the bccdc for case counts daily. If we were like Toronto I would be the first one wearing a mask). They’re just worried about authoritarianism with masks, like I am about electronic tracking - except mass surveillance is a way bigger deal. It’s not actually idiotic to worry about authoritarianism. They’re focusing on the wrong issue though. Toronto has a lot of covid cases. It’s crowded. Masks will help protect people.
 
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The issue for Toronto and all big cities is the crowdedness. Our sidewalks are not two meters wide so it is impossible to pass someone without walking in the road. The subways and buses are full and packed in a normal day. Building elevators in ore Covid times were jammed It’s a full busy city

as for trying to go to a hospital? Give me a break. Put your mask on
 
Yes, in a hospital wear your damn mask!

They should be giving them out free - non medical ones - to people who don’t have one. Have boxes of disposables available at shops just in case - give out free or charge a dollar and if they don’t have a dollar just give them one... low income people need free ones.
 
I've just found myself guilty of being out without a mask. Quick trip to beer store. Mask that usually hangs on mirror was out for a wash. Had to promise to do better next time.
 
I do think that it's a small percentage of people who shouldn't be wearing a mask due to medical reasons, but in health care settings it's more likely to see those people. In hospitals I understand why some aren't wearing them.
 
ChemGal said:
I do think that it's a small percentage of people who shouldn't be wearing a mask due to medical reasons, but in health care settings it's more likely to see those people. In hospitals I understand why some aren't wearing them.
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There will be exceptions in every setting. Some severely physically disabled and/ or developmentally disabled might not be able to wear them because it might lead to more choking or breathing issues. But everyone who can should wear one in a hospital of all places, to protect people who are already sick, and the staff.

I once went to visit my former upstairs neighbour who was in hospital with HIV/ AIDS related pneumonia. His partner told me he refused the ongoing drug regimine which was keeping his partner healthy - a self destructive choice -which is another story. He had an alcohol addiction too. He'd grown up in foster homes and stuff - rough life but he was a good soul. I hope he's still alive. For years I didn't know they both - a gay couple - had HIV. Anyway, I had to put on a paper gown and mask and gloves and shoe covers to go in his room (my favourite GP, also an ethicist who went on to teach, actually worked P/T on the AIDS ward and he saw me there and recommended it. It wasn't mandatory but it was recommended). I remember my neighbour was a bit weirded out. He joked - he was feeling much better by then and coughed into his arm when he saw my get up - pretending that he was the threat (both of us knowing you can't catch it that way) but it was actually to protect him and his hospital roommate from my germs. He was wearing his own clothes, no mask. I think he said I was the only visitor who did that while he was there.
 
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I've only gone to places where I can maintain distance for the last few months. I've worn a mask when asked, in knitting stores and at the hairdresser. I made myself and my husband masks, so will now have one with me to use indoors more often. Places like the hospital are busier so masks are more important now. IMG_20200714_184307_808.jpg
 
It looks like community transmission in BC has slowly been creeping up again, but Vancouver Island has held at the same numbers for over a week. I think we had only a few new cases in months. In BC overall, several of the community transmissions were from a party in Kelowna, and a strip club in Vancouver. Not really a surprise. I’m kind of happy that a large swath of the sex industry might be forced to go extinct (speaking of systemic problems that affect women and racialized Canadians, particularly indigenous women, there’s one - the sex industry, misogyny baked in, is absolutely a systemic problem from the beginning of time). Also, casual hook-ups, tinder, clubbing/ parting and having one nighters, seeing multiple partners - not many doing that these days and not for awhile - which is probably something that needed to change. It’s another “habit” that society needs to rethink - is this necessary?That’s not a bad thing, imo. There are lots of people living without sex partners and they survive. If we can live without hugs, and hand holding, handshakes, arm on shoulder, etc. because it’s not distancing - that’s actually harder than living without sex because it’s lack of even the most basic human, non sexual, touch - humans generally need a bare minimum of some human touch sometimes but don’t need another person for sexual gratification. That’s, for the vast majority of people, more of a selfish desire than a need - at least depending on someone else to fulfill it is. My guess is it will lead to a culture change of people taking relationships more slowly, and thoughtfully. I think that’s good, healthy - not based on religious morality. It’s just mature and healthy, for individuals and families and society - it’s stronger bonding “glue” to hold it together. Maybe courtship will come back in fashion - but more a gender equal version. The romantic in me hopes so.
 
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Different sub-topic... this is something that crossed my mind several times:

www.thestar.com

COVID-19 exposes the hypocrisy of face covering in Quebec

Despite face coverings being recommended by the Canadian government for health security reasons, the Quebec ban on religious face coverings is still being both upheld and applauded.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com

Also, wondering if Saudi and Iranian women, for example, in the countries where they are required to wear a niquab, have lower rates of covid transmition.
 
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