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Ritafee said:
Are you suggesting that they should not be allowed outside at all ... as in you would like this 97 year old person to spend the rest of his life in a prison cell if that is what it takes to keep him safe?
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Wouldn't it be safer to be allowed outside accompanied by a caregiver already in the building?
 
One of the keys to "stopping the insanity" is going to be an effective treatment. If we can treat people without resorting to ICUs and ventilators, we avoid taxing the health system. And scientists are definitely rising to the challenge. While a vaccine is the holy grail, a treatment is probably going to come first.

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New Coronavirus Drug Shows Promise in Animal Tests

Slated for human trials, EIDD-2801 could become the first pill for COVID-19
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This article was corrected but it looks like the URL and tagline weren't. The drug was actually tested against Sars-Cov-19 (the virus that causes Covid-19) in cultures of human lung tissue with success. The animal tests were against related coronaviruses that affect those animals.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
There was an interview on CBC this morning, not sure who the lady was that was interviewed, but it was about families taking their loved ones home out of LTC. She didn’t say exactly, don’t do it, but she guided some thoughts people should have before making the decision. She said, first, remember the process that happened to get your loved one into LTC. The decision that led to it, the care he/ she needed to have and the reasons why this was not possible to provide at home. Then think about at what level of care your loved one is right now, is it the same, better or worse, and what are the circumstances at home.
I couldn’t listen to the full interview, because I had arrived at work and had to get in. I suspect that in NS you also will loose you spot and go at the bottom of the wait list, if it doesn’t work out. At least, that’s what it was until now.
But what the danger of this is, is, that if the family can’t cope, the relative will be admitted to the hospital, amidst the Corona situation- not exactly a reduced risk for the person.
Why not holding the spot for the resident?
Right now, homes are quarantined, visitors are not allowed, to protect from outside infections. If people go home and fail, you would have to deal with isolating all those additional residents. And how long would you keep their spot- one month, two months, while someone else is waiting in a hospital to get out of there.
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I haven''t had to deal with it, but I don't understand the losing the spot, especially with it being said for just 1 night. Do people in LTC not ever get to travel anywhere if they have those who can make the arrangements?
 
I don't like the term lockdown being used for where we are at now. When I lived with my parents a few streets in the neighbourhood were on lockdown for a while. Those in their houses had to stay there. There were road blockades. If someone really had to leave, there was 911 and if their reason was sufficient police or an ambulance would get them out of the area.
Some of the facilities with outbreaks I accept lockdown, as comings and goings and very restricted. For cities, provinces, etc. though? This is not a lockdown. There are restrictions in place due to an emergency, yes.
 
Ritafee said:
Are you suggesting that they should not be allowed outside at all ... as in you would like this 97 year old person to spend the rest of his life in a prison cell if that is what it takes to keep him safe?
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What I'm saying is if he's being taken for a walk by someone from outside the facility who is asymptomatic or has not been tested for COVID, he could become infected and bring it into the facility.
 
Mendalla said:
One of the keys to "stopping the insanity" is going to be an effective treatment.
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I agree ...

The continued advocacy and defense of wasteful and misleading animal experiments isn’t just harming animals; it is also harming millions of people who are relying on science to do the right, most productive thing.

Cruelty Free International believes the quickest and most reliable way to realize a vaccine that protects people is to avoid animals completely, and to push ahead with careful, regulated clinical trials supported by human specific clinical research, and tests using human tissues and cells. This is underlined by current science in the news. Analysis of blood samples from a patient recovering from COVID-19 infection has greatly informed our understanding of human immune responses that take place, including the specific types of immune cells, antibodies and inflammatory molecules involved, and how these correlate with and may predict the course of infection and clinical outcome, as well as inform vaccine candidates and evaluate other interventions [7, 8].

Scientists are also investigating the potential benefits of using antibodies in the blood of people who have recovered from COVID-19 infection to boost immunity in newly infected and/or at-risk people. This concept, known as “convalescent sera”, has been used for around a hundred years, with notable successes for mumps and measles, and, it is claimed, could be set up and ready to go very quickly [9].

This is a necessary, evidence-based paradigm shift that is already happening in science, with increasing and irresistible momentum.
 
ChemGal said:
I haven''t had to deal with it, but I don't understand the losing the spot, especially with it being said for just 1 night. Do people in LTC not ever get to travel anywhere if they have those who can make the arrangements?
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Under normal circumstances someone can leave for around 21 days and not lose their bed but the LHIN has changed the rules because of the Pandemic.
 
Canada’s Quarantine Act was updated in 2005 in response to the deadly SARS epidemic and grants the federal health minister sweeping powers to create quarantine zones and even fine and jail those who ignore quarantine orders. Though the government had previously merely advised travelers entering the country to self-quarantine, the new legislation now makes it a legal obligation to do so.
 
Waterfall said:
What I'm saying is if he's being taken for a walk by someone from outside the facility who is asymptomatic or has not been tested for COVID, he could become infected and bring it into the facility.
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People can walk with distance between them.
 
Waterfall said:
It's not about just him though.
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The building rents month to month ... wonder why?

Might it be the last stop before the 'rubber hits the road' on the 'highway' 'anyway' ...

I am very sad for these elderly folks ... the great generation ... full circle ... born into the great depression ... doomed to solitary confinement as they virtually watch everything they worked for blow up in 'face book time' ... exit staged left.
 
Reminiscent of the total McGyvering of our little local Beer Store. They've got barricades built out of boxes, "caution - wet floor" signs, and duct tape, orange. The process of payment may involve the slinging of a weighted (with scrap metal and duct tape) box with one's cash and or receipt, down the roller belts. Chances of collision with outgoing beer cases seems precarious.
 
Mr Paradox was at our local beer store today. He said some adjustments have been made (Plexiglas barriers at the cashiers, etc) but he had no concerns.

We have been told they are not accepting returns of bottles but he said they were accepting them today. In limited quantities, apparently.
 
Update. Limited quantities is not true. But only designated stores have reinstated bottle returns.
 
paradox3 said:
We have been told we can take my dad for a walk as long as we remain on the grounds of his retirement residence.

But methinks it would be pretty hard to maintain the recommended distance while pushing him in a wheelchair.
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In that case, clean hands (hand sanitizer might be the best option in that case) plus a mask could be options.
 
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